StvC
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| posted on 10/5/13 at 07:50 PM |
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Replacing a 1600 CVH with VVC
Hi All, was sent here by a few guys on my Scimitar forum. They said this is the place to go if I was looking for info and parts on swapping out a 1600
CVH and dropping in a 1.8 VVC lump. Where is the best place to get the bell housing required to marry it up to a type 9 box.
Also, assuming I get the whole donor car, what are the challenges with getting round immobiliser issues.
Finally, could I use the Rover ECU or would most people use a custom system (megasquirt) or similar.
Thanks in advance.
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INDY BIRD
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| posted on 10/5/13 at 08:03 PM |
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Hi no help to you just sold one,
But qed do one
http://qedmotorsport.co.uk/qed-shop/rover-k-series/misc
Light engine and rev well
Good luck
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emwmarine
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| posted on 10/5/13 at 08:28 PM |
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A zetec swap would be much easier and much cheaper and more power.
Building a Dax Rush.
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 10/5/13 at 08:49 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by emwmarine
A zetec swap would be much easier and much cheaper and more power.
Which Zetec? The 1.8VVC makes up to 160ps in standard form (there is also a 145ps version).
Worth looking out for bellhousings on Blatchat, they do come up fairly often along with other K series bits.
Using the standard ECU is almost certainly possible, but may be quite involved. "Britishtrident" on this forum may have more information
on this, or Rovertech is a very useful resource for all things Rover related.
The favourite after-market ECU for the K Series seems to be the Emerald system. This supports VVC control and
they will supply an adapter to allow it to plug straight into the K Series engine loom. If you live anywhere near Norwich you can go to Emeralds
rolling road and get your car set up by the people that actually designed the ECU.
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StvC
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| posted on 10/5/13 at 09:46 PM |
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That's brilliant gents, thanks a lot.
Can I cheekily ask how much you sold it for Indy Bird?
Yeah, will look at BlatChat. I used to frequent Rovertech regularly in my 800 owning days but might struggle for the bellhousing as well. That's
great though, nowhere near Norwich unfortunately though but....is anyone? 
Great advice about that system plugging straight into the loom, sounds perfect. Will see if Britishtrident pops up.
Thanks again Mike
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INDY BIRD
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| posted on 11/5/13 at 08:57 AM |
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Used bell housings go for around 150 to 200 ish if that helps one just sold on eBay for that cheers
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emwmarine
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| posted on 11/5/13 at 09:02 AM |
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The 2 litre zetec usually makes 170 as standard with jut bike carbs or bike throttle bodies. Plus the mountings, iirc, are the same on the zetec as
cvh and some other bits are transferable, possibly sump.
K series will cost a lot to make rwd. sump, bell housing, water system is tricky, needing a prrt. You will also be always thinking about HGF.
Don't get me wrong I liked the K series in the Elise I had but the zetec is a much better option. Nearly as light, cheaper, stronger and just as
smooth. Plus safe to go up to 200bhp on original internals.
quote:
Originally posted by MikeRJ
quote:
Originally posted by emwmarine
A zetec swap would be much easier and much cheaper and more power.
Which Zetec? The 1.8VVC makes up to 160ps in standard form (there is also a 145ps version).
Worth looking out for bellhousings on Blatchat, they do come up fairly often along with other K series bits.
Using the standard ECU is almost certainly possible, but may be quite involved. "Britishtrident" on this forum may have more information
on this, or Rovertech is a very useful resource for all things Rover related.
The favourite after-market ECU for the K Series seems to be the Emerald system. This supports VVC control and
they will supply an adapter to allow it to plug straight into the K Series engine loom. If you live anywhere near Norwich you can go to Emeralds
rolling road and get your car set up by the people that actually designed the ECU.
Building a Dax Rush.
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britishtrident
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| posted on 11/5/13 at 09:07 AM |
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I am not a big fan of VVCs -- not a big fan of 1.8s either The fly in the ointment is the engine was designed around the 1.4 litre size and as
a result the 1.8 has a long stroke and undersized valves and ports. The head on the VVC is better but you have the complication of the VVC unit
-- for some reason the VVC on the MG TF is less reliable than those on the 2.5 KV6. ISTR there are cam availble to convert a VVC engine to fixed
timing.
1.6 with some head and cam work is a better option the smaller capacity versions rev more freely and feel sportier.
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scimjim
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| posted on 11/5/13 at 09:57 PM |
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zetec in an SS1 has been done - VVC hasn't (although later versions are RWD 1.4K). That's a good enough reason isn't it?
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StvC
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| posted on 12/5/13 at 12:11 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by scimjim
zetec in an SS1 has been done - VVC hasn't (although later versions are RWD 1.4K). That's a good enough reason isn't it?
Yes! Gotta sort the base vehicle out first though which will give me time to hoard the bits (and save up).
Do Emerald EMS' come up 2nd hand ever or is it best to buy new?
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INDY BIRD
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| posted on 12/5/13 at 06:42 AM |
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Here for a ecu
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/parts-and-plates/parts-and-accessories/caterham/emerald-k3-ecu/1339551
Also the mg160 engine can get easily to 205 NHL with some head porting and milder cam I know because my friend has done it
And the internals are stock but the pistons are stronger in this engine,
Cheap power then,
Mine makes 185 easily on stock internals and with a 6 speed box is very quick
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scimjim
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| posted on 12/5/13 at 06:57 AM |
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Or Omex 600 here if it hasn't been ebayed?
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