rotax78
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| posted on 26/10/14 at 10:13 PM |
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diesel engine, should it just run on easystart alone
The diesel engine on my 06 plate Vauxhall Movano (Renault Master) just stopped whilst driving. The AA came out and recovered me, but first he plugged
in his code reader but found no fault codes and it wouldn't read any live data, he then gave it a wiff of easystart and it didn't even try
to run on that. He said could be alsorts (crank sensor etc) but now that i've given it a bit of thought, if it was an electrical type fault
wouldn't it have at least tried to run on the easystart? Does this mean maybe looking towards compression (slipped timing belt etc)?
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blakep82
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| posted on 26/10/14 at 10:17 PM |
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I assumed easystart only ignites with a spark, rather than just compression, like diesels do (don't they?)
I'm not convinced, but I'm sure he knows more that I do
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Benzine
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| posted on 26/10/14 at 10:25 PM |
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A whiff of hot sauce and my old diesel will start or at the very least start to pick up, too much and it'll start to run away and knock.
It'll also start on thinners, panel wipe, anything in a can on the garage shelf. My dad's (modern) discovery, dead glowplugs in winter and
a quick squirt of easy start and she fired up.
[Edited on 26-10-2014 by Benzine]
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coozer
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| posted on 26/10/14 at 10:26 PM |
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Dont keep trying it on easystart or else your in trouble.
Engines get addiction to it and refuse to start without it!
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1980 Z750
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rotax78
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| posted on 26/10/14 at 10:29 PM |
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What i'm saying I suppose is, if i've got compression and fuel (easystart) shouldn't it least try? Regardless of what any electrical
sensors, diesel pump / injectors etc are, or are not doing. Which is what made me think maybe it's slipped its timing belt or missing teeth
leading to no compression.
[Edited on 26/10/14 by rotax78]
[Edited on 26/10/14 by rotax78]
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Benzine
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| posted on 26/10/14 at 10:47 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by rotax78
What i'm saying I suppose is, if i've got compression and fuel shouldn't it least try?
If the ether is getting into the combustion chamber, and it has compression and all the valves are closed then it'll try and start yeah 
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PAUL FISHER
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| posted on 26/10/14 at 10:59 PM |
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Yes it should run on easy start, even if its getting no fuel to the injectors, its best to get someone to turn it over while you spray it in.
The engine should just keep going as long as you keep spraying.
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mk85
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| posted on 26/10/14 at 11:19 PM |
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I had a passat 1.9tdi and ran out of fuel late one night. I managed to get some diesel but had nothing to bleed it with tool wise. I pulled the
induction pipe of and sprayed linx body spray into the inlet and the car actually ran on the spray aslong as I kept the deodorant going. 1 can lasted
just enough for the pump to pull the deiseal up and actually ran alot smoother after this!!!
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NigeEss
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| posted on 27/10/14 at 12:18 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by rotax78
What i'm saying I suppose is, if i've got compression and fuel (easystart) shouldn't it least try? Regardless of what any electrical
sensors, diesel pump / injectors etc are, or are not doing. Which is what made me think maybe it's slipped its timing belt or missing teeth
leading to no compression.
[Edited on 26/10/14 by rotax78]
[Edited on 26/10/14 by rotax78]
Yes it should, so I'd agree and be looking at compression issues. Does it sound any different when turned over ?
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mark chandler
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| posted on 27/10/14 at 07:26 AM |
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Just use enough to get it started, it will ignite with less compression than is required for run a Diesel engine so really loads up the Pistons so
just a sniff is all you need.
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adithorp
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| posted on 27/10/14 at 08:38 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by rotax78
What i'm saying I suppose is, if i've got compression and fuel (easystart) shouldn't it least try? Regardless of what any electrical
sensors, diesel pump / injectors etc are, or are not doing. Which is what made me think maybe it's slipped its timing belt or missing teeth
leading to no compression.
[Edited on 26/10/14 by rotax78]
I'd expect it to at least attempt to fire on Easystart as long as it has compression.
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40inches
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| posted on 27/10/14 at 08:51 AM |
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You need some "Start Ya
Bastard" , apparently it's good for "Frail people who are not strong enough to pull a start cord quickly enough"
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owelly
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| posted on 27/10/14 at 08:53 AM |
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As said, a derv engine will run on Easystart as long as the compression is OK. Where did the recovery bloke squirt it? It needs to be as close as
possible to the head!!
Just for info: engines don't get addicted to Easystart! Folks use Easystart to get an engine running but don't fix the original
problem.......hence it won't start without it!
http://www.ppcmag.co.uk
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nick205
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| posted on 27/10/14 at 10:55 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mk85
I had a passat 1.9tdi and ran out of fuel late one night. I managed to get some diesel but had nothing to bleed it with tool wise. I pulled the
induction pipe of and sprayed linx body spray into the inlet and the car actually ran on the spray aslong as I kept the deodorant going. 1 can lasted
just enough for the pump to pull the deiseal up and actually ran alot smoother after this!!!
Did you end up with women chasing you down the road?
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 27/10/14 at 12:22 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by owelly
Just for info: engines don't get addicted to Easystart! Folks use Easystart to get an engine running but don't fix the original
problem.......hence it won't start without it!
Easystart in diesels can cause bad pre-ignition which damages injector pintles and piston rings. The resulting degradation in spray pattern and loss
of compression means the engine then has even less chance of starting without Easystart. This is why the story of "addiction" came
about.
In answer to the OP's question, a friends transit died on the road a couple of months back, and the fault was later traced down to water in one
of the ECU connectors (i.e. cam timing and compression was fine). At the time we tried Easystart to see if we could limp it home, but it simply
wouldn't start, though it did knock quite horribly a couple of times.
[Edited on 27/10/14 by MikeRJ]
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britishtrident
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| posted on 27/10/14 at 12:29 PM |
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If it won't kick on EezyStart it would make me think something is far wrong, these engines have a history of turbo blow ups.
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Slimy38
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| posted on 27/10/14 at 02:47 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mk85
I had a passat 1.9tdi and ran out of fuel late one night. I managed to get some diesel but had nothing to bleed it with tool wise. I pulled the
induction pipe of and sprayed linx body spray into the inlet and the car actually ran on the spray aslong as I kept the deodorant going. 1 can lasted
just enough for the pump to pull the deiseal up and actually ran alot smoother after this!!!
I suppose it would make a change from following all the veggie oil runners who just smell like mobile chip shops!
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