Mid Engined Space frame Imp stiletto Project..
Benzo - 21/3/13 at 02:35 PM
Took a mad notion and bought this box of bits..
Its based on a March F3 Chassis clad in Stiletto/ imp bodywork... it originally had a BDA in it, but then later was converted to 1600 8v Vauxhall..
It needs ALOT of sorted, it will be a long term project as im TR8 & Race Megablade are taking up alot of time and Space at the moment.
Dont want to go bike engined for this project, im thinking s2000 or 2L Redtop tuned mated to the MK9 Hewland? try and keep it under 500kgs.
Anyway some pics - its in a sorry state!
And how it used to look -
This is a LONG term project for me, until then it will be Garage Furniture!
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ceebmoj - 21/3/13 at 02:45 PM
looks nice
Benzo - 21/3/13 at 02:48 PM
quote:
Originally posted by ceebmoj
looks nice
Seen any similar projects? Ideas of how to source 250hp without spending a fortune?
Whats the opinion on the s2000 unit?
Jenko - 21/3/13 at 03:44 PM
Very, very nice.........
How about a subaru power?.....Looks like a nice flat 4 would sit nicely in that chassis. Other options that spring to mind would be a ford cosworth v6
from a Granada, or (depending on the weight) a busa.
Benzo - 21/3/13 at 04:21 PM
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Originally posted by Jenko
Very, very nice.........
How about a subaru power?.....Looks like a nice flat 4 would sit nicely in that chassis. Other options that spring to mind would be a ford cosworth v6
from a Granada, or (depending on the weight) a busa.
I would rather stay NA, and under 2L.. Or else bike engine up to 1300..
How much do those Radical style chain driven diffs go for?
CNHSS1 - 21/3/13 at 04:37 PM
theres been at least 2 or 3 similar Imps running last year in the CSCC Special Saloons championship. Martyn Baker was running a black one and there
was a red one regularly out, both used imp-based engines iirc.
there were a few that ran on sprints and hills, all ex Modsports, a few of which used bike power.
contact CSCC special saloons co-ordinator and im sure they will put you in touch, or try Uphillracers forum or the Ten-Tenths forums. In fact,
i'll bet someone on ten tenths will know the car, lots of exWendy Wools and Modpsorts/Silhouettes guys on there
or sell it me cheap 
always loved Modsports cars 
CNHSS1 - 21/3/13 at 04:49 PM
if you want to read up, google Macquire Imps as they built laods 'back in the day' also Davrian too
Benzo - 21/3/13 at 04:53 PM
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Originally posted by CNHSS1
if you want to read up, google Macquire Imps as they built laods 'back in the day' also Davrian too
Ill have a look on ten-tenths!
I know quite abit about them because my old man used to run a Bevan engined Rawlson based car in the 70's.
I tried to buy a Maguire recently but it would have ended up being garage furniture.
There are lots of Maguires here in Ireland & Davrians here in Ireland..
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T66 - 21/3/13 at 05:44 PM
Gets my vote, that had to be bought.
andylancaster3000 - 21/3/13 at 05:45 PM
Don't think Mk8/9 hewlands are particularly happy at those power/torque figures. Might be worth some investigation. Not sure how much stronger
the F3 variant is but might be worth considering (5-speed, MK5)
CNHSS1 - 21/3/13 at 05:47 PM
ah, of course, Ireland has got more than its fair share!
have a look on ten-tenths under the chassis section, some of the trails of cars aon there are amazing, todays barn find, tomorrow you are in touch
with 10 previous owners and pics galore! really fascinating although a great way to lose 3-4 hours if you arent careful lol.
There used to be an Imp engined club that ran a series on hills sprints over here, and that had rawlsons, macquires etc al along with Clans and other
stuff too.
i think i recognise that color scheme from Racecarsdirect 4-5 years ago, although there was an all black one that either went to ireland or
was in ireland, cant remember.
will see if i can find some pics on the hard drive
post up pics as you get into it, cracking car
CNHSS1 - 21/3/13 at 05:54 PM
pics of cars at CSCC last year
http://www.flickr.com/photos/40940504@N06/6101141422
http://www.flickr.com/photos/37020752@N06/6099248243
wrigley engineering imp behind (green/white/black)
Benzo - 21/3/13 at 05:56 PM
That would most likely be les Campbell's maguire with the Fireblade engine in the back?
It went to a guy I know, mark steed.. It's since gone to guernsey he was telling me on Saturday!
andylancaster3000 - 21/3/13 at 05:57 PM
Horsepower Capacities of MK
type gearboxes
MK4-7 120 HP
MK5 (Limited by output stub axle
strength) 160 HP
MK8/MK9 (if using earlier
gearsets) 120 HP
MK8/MK9 (If using “M” type MK
gearsets) 180 HP
MK8/MK9 (if using “M” type MK5
gearsets 240 HP
and Quaife or Salisbury
Differential)
From this source: http://www.taylor-race.com/pdf/ACF14E2.pdf
CNHSS1 - 21/3/13 at 05:59 PM
also here
http://specialsaloons.proboards.com/board/17/cars
Channel isles do like there silly hillclimb cars
Benzo - 21/3/13 at 06:02 PM
quote:
Originally posted by andylancaster3000
Horsepower Capacities of MK
type gearboxes
MK4-7 120 HP
MK5 (Limited by output stub axle
strength) 160 HP
MK8/MK9 (if using earlier
gearsets) 120 HP
MK8/MK9 (If using “M” type MK
gearsets) 180 HP
MK8/MK9 (if using “M” type MK5
gearsets 240 HP
and Quaife or Salisbury
Differential)
From this source: http://www.taylor-race.com/pdf/ACF14E2.pdf
Thank you that's a good reference!
Benzo - 21/3/13 at 06:03 PM
quote:
Originally posted by CNHSS1
also here
http://specialsaloons.proboards.com/board/17/cars
Channel isles do like there silly hillclimb cars
I couldn't believe it the 1st time I set eyes on a converted sand racers!
ludsonline - 21/3/13 at 06:16 PM
Have a look here 
..
http://forum.theimpclub.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=14171
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Benzo - 21/3/13 at 06:23 PM
quote:
Originally posted by ludsonline
Have a look here ..
http://forum.theimpclub.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=14171
[Edited on 21/3/13 by ludsonline]
Posted there already, thank you 
imp paul - 21/3/13 at 06:40 PM
it looks nice mate im building a rawlson z imp at the moment welcome to the world of mad imps
Benzo - 21/3/13 at 06:43 PM
quote:
Originally posted by imp paul
it looks nice mate im building a rawlson z imp at the moment welcome to the world of mad imps
Oh I would like a look at that! What are you planning to do with the car?
Links to any pics? Is the the blue one I've seen pics of?
imp paul - 21/3/13 at 06:48 PM
yes my blue 1 is stripped to the bone mate check my album out
Benzo - 21/3/13 at 06:50 PM
quote:
Originally posted by imp paul
yes my blue 1 is stripped to the bone mate check my album out
I'll have a look, are you going to race it or use it as a road car?
imp paul - 21/3/13 at 06:55 PM
bit of both mate, i have had fast imps since i was 18 and now 41 lol , but this is packing lots of power zx12r turbo so it will kill me haha, its just
a lot of work mate
Benzo - 21/3/13 at 07:06 PM
quote:
Originally posted by imp paul
bit of both mate, i have had fast imps since i was 18 and now 41 lol , but this is packing lots of power zx12r turbo so it will kill me haha, its just
a lot of work mate
have you a class in mind for the racing? doesnt the turbo throw you into a different class?
ceebmoj - 21/3/13 at 07:09 PM
quote:
Originally posted by BenzoHow much do those Radical style chain driven diffs go for?
As you have a nice big engine bay how about using a car diff connected to the bike engine. You could directly conect the diff to the engine or shove
the engine as far forward as possible and run a short drive shaft to the diff.
imp paul - 21/3/13 at 07:13 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Benzo
quote:
Originally posted by imp paul
bit of both mate, i have had fast imps since i was 18 and now 41 lol , but this is packing lots of power zx12r turbo so it will kill me haha, its just
a lot of work mate
have you a class in mind for the racing? doesnt the turbo throw you into a different class?
i was thinking hill climbing events ,but hay its a long way off lol, but we all dream i just need to get to the end mate
Benzo - 21/3/13 at 07:15 PM
quote:
Originally posted by imp paul
quote:
Originally posted by Benzo
quote:
Originally posted by imp paul
bit of both mate, i have had fast imps since i was 18 and now 41 lol , but this is packing lots of power zx12r turbo so it will kill me haha, its just
a lot of work mate
have you a class in mind for the racing? doesnt the turbo throw you into a different class?
i was thinking hill climbing events ,but hay its a long way off lol, but we all dream i just need to get to the end mate
Well its an Awesome project! keep up the good work!
imp paul - 21/3/13 at 07:17 PM
thanks mate i do like the imp you have just got your hands on, its very nice so what's your plans for it ? road or track car ?
Benzo - 21/3/13 at 07:17 PM
quote:
Originally posted by ceebmoj
quote:
Originally posted by BenzoHow much do those Radical style chain driven diffs go for?
As you have a nice big engine bay how about using a car diff connected to the bike engine. You could directly conect the diff to the engine or shove
the engine as far forward as possible and run a short drive shaft to the diff.
Surely the chain / radical style setup would be much lighter? easy to change ratios..
Engine/ diff setup would be cheaper than car engine/ hewland thats for sure! but it would likely be quite heavy.
Miles off making decisions yet i suppose :/ i think i bike engine in this certainly wouldn't be very competitive in the radical class! i will
have to try and work out what i plan to do with it!
Benzo - 21/3/13 at 07:18 PM
quote:
Originally posted by imp paul
thanks mate i do like the imp you have just got your hands on, its very nice so what's your plans for it ? road or track car ?
Purely a track car and store it until i have my TR8 and Westie finished
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imp paul - 21/3/13 at 07:21 PM
it will be awesome mate nice bit of kit i hope it goes to plan for you keep us updated
ceebmoj - 22/3/13 at 01:43 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Benzo
Surely the chain / radical style setup would be much lighter? easy to change ratios..
Engine/ diff setup would be cheaper than car engine/ hewland thats for sure! but it would likely be quite heavy.
Miles off making decisions yet i suppose :/ i think i bike engine in this certainly wouldn't be very competitive in the radical class! i will
have to try and work out what i plan to do with it!
I think that it would be easer to change ratios i'm not sure how much lighter it would be.
mark chandler - 22/3/13 at 04:17 PM
If money is tight forget the hewland box, just get an old VAG car with FWD and an inline engine and drop the lot in to get going.
Plenty of V6 passat's for pennies out there, then bung on a turbo for more oomph.
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Benzo - 22/3/13 at 04:31 PM
quote:
Originally posted by mark chandler
If money is tight forget the hewland box, just get an old VAG car with FWD and an inline engine and drop the lot in to get going.
Plenty of V6 passat's for pennies out there, then bung on a turbo for more oomph.
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Hi mark,
I've been looking at the vag boxes, they do seem like they would do the trick, but arent they awful heavy? And how would gearing worth with a
higher reving engine?
I suppose taller Economical derv gears actually make for good gearing for higher reving engines!
Volvorsport - 22/3/13 at 07:29 PM
hewland mk9 only really are suitable with 13 inch alloys also ..... you can get billet side cases to strengthen them up .
if you want to do it properly , then youll have to pay for decent box , anything else will be a hindrance in a pukka mid engined race car , look at
staffs , elite , etc ....
also
www.darriancars.co.uk for bodywork and davrian stiletto parts ...
Benzo - 9/7/14 at 01:08 PM
If anyone is interested I'm selling this project for £850.
I haven't got time to work on it and I'm buying something ready to race.
Pm me or
email - ileinster@hotmail.co.uk