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Audi A4 based kit
sprouts-car - 13/10/14 at 02:58 PM

Afternoon all,

I was pondering different kit designs and thinking about the mid engine and transaxle layout.

Most of the transaxle options seem to be very pricey, either a specialised racing transaxle for $$$ or from a 'fancy' road car (Porsche etc).

Then I wondered about front engined, front wheel drive cars with fore-aft engines. And I came up with a few Audis, like the A4.

Which all leads to the question...

Are there any kits based around the A4.
Or is anyone building anything like that?


Benzine - 13/10/14 at 03:09 PM

That would be pretty decent, perv and derv options


coozer - 13/10/14 at 03:20 PM

I've been wondering that myself, I think an Audi V8 and trans axle would be a mint way to go for a mid engine aka F1 type car...


mcerd1 - 13/10/14 at 03:28 PM

its been done a few times, but I can't think of any kits that use it as standard


this build has been around for a while now:
http://www.motorgeek.com/viewtopic.php?t=9648


coozer - 13/10/14 at 04:10 PM

Dodgy link that...


rdodger - 13/10/14 at 04:10 PM

There was the exoskeleton car, forget the name but that used Audi turbo/transaxle.


Doctor Derek Doctors - 13/10/14 at 04:16 PM

Wasn't there a Ford RS200 replica that used the Audi 1.8T and Transaxle.

I have often considered building a 1970's F1 homage using a growly Audi V6/V8 and Transaxle


femster87 - 13/10/14 at 04:25 PM

New tiger era30 design. Uses Audi 80 or 90 transaxle setup. Not sure on the model.


russbost - 13/10/14 at 04:33 PM

Funnily enough I seriously thought about the Audi setup when I was designing the Furore, at the time (circa 8 years ago) the Audi transaxles were a bit like hen's teeth & very expensive, would imagine they could be picked up cheap enough nowadays tho'. I would imagine the engine electronics could be a bit of a game, but presumably you could use something like Omex to dispose of most of it?


mark chandler - 13/10/14 at 04:33 PM

Gt40 clones as well.


kj - 13/10/14 at 04:35 PM

Edge devil a single seater a few years back


russbost - 13/10/14 at 04:42 PM

The Edge used the old Audi 100 5 pot lump & associated transaxle, old fashioned heavy & (compared to modern engines) underpowered must have weighed more than the rest of the vehicle! However it was a least simple (bit like a Pinto in that respect)


rf900rush - 13/10/14 at 06:16 PM

Subaru's are ofter rear mounted in VW's

I like the idea of a H6 Subaru boxer engine rear mounted.
Wife's got one in an outback. 245bhp as standard.


ettore bugatti - 13/10/14 at 09:34 PM

Deronda Type F


Russell - 14/10/14 at 12:16 AM

My Spire GTR has a 1.8T and transaxle out of a B5 Passat (same platform as A4). I paid to have the immobiliser removed from the stock ECU and a remap to allegedly 190bhp. I got the engine running last weekend It only needs half a dozen wires spliced into the OEM loom to get it running, the trick was working out which ones!


SPYDER - 14/10/14 at 10:35 AM

quote:
Originally posted by russbost
The Edge used the old Audi 100 5 pot lump & associated transaxle, old fashioned heavy & (compared to modern engines) underpowered must have weighed more than the rest of the vehicle! However it was a least simple (bit like a Pinto in that respect)


I doubt that the engine weighed more than the chassis Russ. I remember seeing "The Edge" at a show a few years ago. The chassis was HUGE and looked like a box girder bridge.

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olberj - 23/2/15 at 07:57 PM

An idea close to my heart.

We've mid mounted Audi v8s in Mr2s already and proved the later ob1 gearboxes with the diff at the very front mate up too.

I'd love a mid engine space frame to fit it to. I did think of using a vx220 as a base but they're going up in price.

I basically want a v8 powered Porsche 904/8 on the cheap


Ugg10 - 23/2/15 at 09:13 PM

Isn't the big issue with using the audi transaxle and engine in a front wheel drive car that the engine hangs out in front of the front axle, ok is a rear wheel drive mid engine like the spire gt or a big heavy saloon. I guess you could turn it round, turn the transaxle upside down and use it mid engine front wheel drive (similar to ultima or gt40s do with the 911 transaxle).


iank - 23/2/15 at 09:45 PM

quote:
Originally posted by SPYDER
quote:
Originally posted by russbost
The Edge used the old Audi 100 5 pot lump & associated transaxle, old fashioned heavy & (compared to modern engines) underpowered must have weighed more than the rest of the vehicle! However it was a least simple (bit like a Pinto in that respect)


I doubt that the engine weighed more than the chassis Russ. I remember seeing "The Edge" at a show a few years ago. The chassis was HUGE and looked like a box girder bridge.

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Chassis was light enough, but looked heavy. There was a picture of the company owner lifting it into the air and he wasn't a big guy.
2"x2" 16swg weighs double 1"x1" 16 swg but is 8x stiffer (roughly). Looks chunky, but you need less for the same overall chassis stiffness. It was also a single seater, so rather narrower than a 7.

eta: found it
http://web.archive.org/web/20070212111312/http://www.edgesportscars.com/Chassis.htm

Chassis was 60kg
http://web.archive.org/web/20070216212453/http://www.edgesportscars.com/Chassis%20image.htm


[Edited on 23/2/15 by iank]


Ugg10 - 23/2/15 at 10:02 PM

Always thought the edge devil chassis would be a good base for an auto union d type replica.



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coyoteboy - 15/3/15 at 10:26 PM

I'm in the middle of making a one off around the Audi alloy v8 (abz) and an 01E transaxle. Total engine and box cost me 450quid so far including manifolds, halfshafts, ignition and fuel hardware. Quite long but not very porky, but certainly not light.