Alan B
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| posted on 16/11/05 at 01:31 PM |
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Back up needed.....
here
Disagreement over the definition of mid-engined...one of my pet peeves...
[Edited on 16/11/05 by Alan B]
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Volvorsport
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| posted on 16/11/05 at 01:50 PM |
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theres no need to gang up on me
www.dbsmotorsport.co.uk
getting dirty under a bus
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Alan B
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| posted on 16/11/05 at 01:54 PM |
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There's every need.....
All in good spirits of course.....
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dmottaway
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| posted on 16/11/05 at 02:31 PM |
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I would think that if the engine is in front of the front axle, it would be front engine. Behind the rear axle, rear engine. between the axles, mid
engine. Plain and simple.
"Mid means behind the driver but between the axles..." - too specific, but the accepted meaning.
at least, on this side of the pond.
dave
Somewhere, in Texas, a village is missing its idiot.
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Alan B
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| posted on 16/11/05 at 02:36 PM |
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Dave I agree that there is some logic in your suggestion, however you then end up with the ridiculous "front-mid" terminology to cover
locosts...
To me in front of the driver is always front engined...either side of the axle.
All semantics really I guess and hardly worth argueing about....although I still do/will...
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zilspeed
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| posted on 16/11/05 at 02:48 PM |
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Just chucked my 2d worth in....
Hopefully upset everyone.
Here - direct lift from the Aston Martin website
Extraordinary engine power is not the only reason for the superb performance of the V8 Vantage. Just as important is its lightweight, all-alloy
structure, which offers class-leading strength and rigidity. The front mid-engined layout & the dry sump lubrication system allows the engine to
sit low ; and rear-mid transmission help provide optimum front to rear weight distribution as well as a low centre of gravity. The result is
exceptional agility and inspired balance and handling.
[Edited on 16/11/05 by zilspeed]
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Alan B
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| posted on 16/11/05 at 02:55 PM |
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I've seen the "front-mid" thing thing creeping in......all just words I guess, and who knows, maybe more descriptive and
logical...
Still silly IMO...
Last words on the subject from me..
Possibly..
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donut
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| posted on 16/11/05 at 03:29 PM |
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I'm with you Alan!
Andy
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/andywest1/
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kreb
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| posted on 16/11/05 at 04:37 PM |
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"Front-mid-engined" should not be confused with a "mid-engined" car which is defined as a car with the engine located between
the driver and the rear wheels. Period. Exclamation point.
I never heard the term "Front-mid-engined" until just recently, and it's fairly clear that it's mainly the product of
marketing people trying to gain an advantage while actually muddying the waters. 
https://www.supercars.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/1966_FiatAbarth_1000SP1.jpg
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jestre
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| posted on 16/11/05 at 05:01 PM |
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heres how I see it.
Front Engined (99% american/jap cars): engine on front wheels in front of driver
Mid Engine(MR2/ X19 /Fiero): engine between Front and rear axles behind driver
rear engine (VW bug, corvair): engine behind rear wheels and transmission
-=too much horsepower is just enough=-
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jestre
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| posted on 16/11/05 at 05:04 PM |
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I've never heard a definition mention engine being parallel or perpendicular to the frame
-=too much horsepower is just enough=-
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Alan B
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| posted on 16/11/05 at 05:06 PM |
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Donut, Kreb and Jestre...
Two thumbs waaaaaaaaay up..
[Edited on 16/11/05 by Alan B]
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kb58
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| posted on 16/11/05 at 09:08 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Alan B
I've seen the "front-mid" thing thing creeping in......all just words I guess, and who knows, maybe more descriptive and
logical...
Still silly IMO...
I agree Alan, it's marketting BS. Like when Chrysler designed their "cab forward" car. Pure BS, as all they really did was cram
the engine compartment and use a large windshield, extending the base of it forward. What they were trying to claim was they then had some similarity
to the then mid-engine cars with true cab forward design.
This is exactly the same. Since race cars are typically mid-engine, in the sense that everyone understands, some car makers try bending definitions
to make you think their car has something in common with real race cars.
Yeah sure.
Mid-engine Locost - http://www.midlana.com
And the book - http://www.lulu.com/shop/kurt-bilinski/midlana/paperback/product-21330662.html
Kimini - a tube-frame, carbon shell, Honda Prelude VTEC mid-engine Mini: http://www.kimini.com
And its book -
http://www.lulu.com/shop/kurt-bilinski/kimini-how-to-design-and-build-a-mid-engine-sports-car-from-scratch/paperback/product-4858803.html
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dl_peabody
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| posted on 17/11/05 at 03:06 AM |
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WARNING RANT
I think that it is auto journalist caught in mastibitorial word play that make them think that they have to recraft the wheel everytime they hammer
some article out. Then they have to stroke the MANUFACTURER for giving them the chance to drive the Austin Malaires QuatroInsignifico GT Sports
Coup-eh. They really pile it on and say the car is cheap at Quarter Million,as if their driving it elevates them to legendary staus and somehow makes
their gas smell minty fresh.
Ever wonder why they spend 65% of their time reviewing cars that 95% of their readers will probably never see outside the mag covers.
I often wonder what drivel they would whip up to describe this car....
http://dpcars.aprsworld.com/dp1bld/dp1144.jpg
Engineers Know what they built and the compromises they were forced to make...Drivers can tell you how it handles and drives or doesn't handle
and shouldnt be driven...leave it to marketing to tell you it handles on rails and engineering was priority one ( and marketing half written the
atricle for the auto journalist sells the auto journalist a ride for the price of a good review)
[Edited on 17/11/05 by dl_peabody]
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RallyHarry
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| posted on 17/11/05 at 03:32 PM |
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Rolls-Royce Phantom has the engine behind the front axle, hardly a midengined car is it ?
Cheers.
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 17/11/05 at 03:36 PM |
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Really, I don't care what terminology is used!
But generally I call a car with the engine in front of me "front engined", and with the engine behind it's "rear
engined".
"mid-engined" I regard as a woolly description of an engine that's squashed in just behind the driver.
Just my 2p's worth...
David
(putting away his wooden spoon)
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kb58
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| posted on 17/11/05 at 03:59 PM |
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It's just another iteration of how media keeps reinventing phrases. Remember when the word "turbo" was all over the place, on
everything from computers to toilet cleaner?
Then they latched onto "system." Now everything is a "system", be it house cleaner or engine oil.
My recent favorite I view with contempt is the bastardly use of the phrase "up to..."
"This system is *guaranteed* to make you up to $50,000." They know full well people latch on to that number, though "up to"
means they also guarantee zero improvement too. Weesels.
The misuse of "mid-engine" is just more of the same, media/advertising trying to rewrite a commonly understood term to make their product
look better.
Mid-engine Locost - http://www.midlana.com
And the book - http://www.lulu.com/shop/kurt-bilinski/midlana/paperback/product-21330662.html
Kimini - a tube-frame, carbon shell, Honda Prelude VTEC mid-engine Mini: http://www.kimini.com
And its book -
http://www.lulu.com/shop/kurt-bilinski/kimini-how-to-design-and-build-a-mid-engine-sports-car-from-scratch/paperback/product-4858803.html
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ned
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| posted on 17/11/05 at 06:10 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by jestre
I've never heard a definition mention engine being parallel or perpendicular to the frame
sorry to be pedantic, but isn't that what inline or transverse means??!
Ned.
beware, I've got yellow skin
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kb58
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| posted on 17/11/05 at 06:43 PM |
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Transverse, yes, in-line, no. In-line means the cylinders are in line, in the block. A V6 is not in-line, yet can be mounted north-south or
transverse.
Mid-engine Locost - http://www.midlana.com
And the book - http://www.lulu.com/shop/kurt-bilinski/midlana/paperback/product-21330662.html
Kimini - a tube-frame, carbon shell, Honda Prelude VTEC mid-engine Mini: http://www.kimini.com
And its book -
http://www.lulu.com/shop/kurt-bilinski/kimini-how-to-design-and-build-a-mid-engine-sports-car-from-scratch/paperback/product-4858803.html
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