sgraber
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 posted on 24/8/04 at 04:45 AM |
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Oh No! The Attack Forums again!
It's a slow news night here so I decided to take a look at the weblogs on my server to see who's visiting and I found
This Thread...
Starts off with a little talk about locostbuilders, which is cool, a little talk about my car, which is cool. But what's neat is that when one
of the members trashes my design as an Attack knock-off the other forum members really come to my defense! It's kinda neat. :-)
Steve Graber
http://www.grabercars.com/
"Quickness through lightness"
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kb58
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| posted on 24/8/04 at 05:28 AM |
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Well to the dim-witted I suppose your car does look like an Attack... and a Ferrari, and a Lambo... There's only so many ways to do styling
with the given layout, yet each has its own character. When the critics build their car from scratch, I wonder what they'd come up
with...
Personally I think your car is more understated (a good thing.) The Attack is just a little too pimped-out for my taste. Reminds me a bit of the
early Lambo kits built on the VW frame with, yes, a air-cooled flat-four in the rear. All show and little else. 200hp in the Attack will do much
better, but it shouts like it has 500hp. I rather have something that "walks quietly and carries a big stick."
[Edited on 24/8/04 by kb58]
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Peteff
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| posted on 24/8/04 at 08:37 AM |
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Yeah, what he said....
Whatever possessed you to rush out and build a halfassed car without thinking it through and then copying some seven foot wide monstrosity (you both
used fibreglass?) and scaling it down to fit a home built chassis with good handling and a mainstream drivetrain for probably a fifth of the price.
You idiot you,, what'll happen if the idea catches on? Car builders will be springing up everywhere and will have to come up with newer and
better ideas and designs. Put the engine back in the Toyota and stop this foolishness immediately and don't try to think for yourself again, and
let this be a warning to others who might want to try the same.
P.S. What's an Attack?
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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ned
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| posted on 24/8/04 at 08:43 AM |
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what a plonker that guy is! Don't worry Steve, we all lurv labala!!
Ned.
beware, I've got yellow skin
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marktigere1
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| posted on 24/8/04 at 09:10 AM |
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Labala rules
Mark
If a bolt is stuck force it.
If it breaks, it needed replacing anyway!!!
(My Dad 1991)
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scoobyis2cool
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| posted on 24/8/04 at 09:38 AM |
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I like the way he backtracks when he realises what a moron he's been! Your car is awesome, I'd love to make my own from scratch one day
but for now I think the Indy is giving me enough headaches...
Pete
It's not that I'm lazy, it's that I just don't care...
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Alan B
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| posted on 24/8/04 at 01:29 PM |
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<rolls eyes>
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sgraber
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| posted on 24/8/04 at 05:44 PM |
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Yeh, to me the Attack is a nicely proportioned car, but it is simply to edgy for my taste. I simply cannot fathom the mindset that because it has an
engine in the back, has a side intake and is made out of fiberglass that it is a rip-off of someone elses design.
Anyways, no worries, I'm not the slightest bit upset by one losers comments. I suppose everyone is entitled to their opinion even when it is
wrong.
The suggestions and advice everyone here has given me over the years has made my car what it is today. This is a great forum!
Steve Graber
http://www.grabercars.com/
"Quickness through lightness"
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Alan B
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| posted on 24/8/04 at 06:28 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by sgraber
...... I simply cannot fathom the mindset that because it has an engine in the back, has a side intake and is made out of fiberglass that it is a
rip-off of someone elses design.......
Oooops....
Mines a rip off too then?
Oh shit...
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Cita
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| posted on 24/8/04 at 07:29 PM |
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Let's face it Alan and Steve you both did copy the Attack.
4 wheels-lean back windshield-engine in the back-same stuff to make the body you probably even copyied the side where the steering wheel is.
If that's not a copy......
Wonder what that a"#hole thinks of the monovolume cars,are they all copy's of the Bedford?
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locost_bryan
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| posted on 25/8/04 at 03:55 AM |
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well, if Toyota can rip off Ferrari, why can't the rest of us? ...or was it just coincidence that the mk2 MR2 looked like a 3/4 model of a
certain red car? 
ps what is an Attack? can't find it my Encyclopedia of Really Important Cars 
Bryan Miller
Auckland NZ
Bruce McLaren - "Where's my F1 car?"
John Cooper - "In that rack of tubes, son"
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kb58
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| posted on 25/8/04 at 05:40 AM |
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It's a kit car:
http://www.k1-styling.sk/menu.php
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Cita
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| posted on 25/8/04 at 07:04 AM |
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i just had a look at the Attack site and especially the frame pictures.
I must say that Alan and Steve certainly did a good job on their cars.
If you take a closer look at some of the welds of the Attack frame than i can name a few guys,out of the top of my head,on this forum who can produce
much nicer looking welds.
I'm not saying that the quality is bad,they just look a bit...crapy.
For that money i would expect at least good looking welds.
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tadltd
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 posted on 25/8/04 at 09:55 AM |
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Steve,
Don't let anything said on a forum bother you. We (when Coram was up and running) went through similar criticism on lots of different forums -
including this one.
It never stopped us because there were just as many people giving us praise - you quickly realise that everyone has an opinion and the easiest and
safest way for them to express it is on a forum such as this. If that guy was face to face with you, there's no way he'd tell you the same
thing he wrote on the forum.
Keep up the good work!
Best Regards,
Steve.
www.turnerautosport.com
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Alan B
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| posted on 25/8/04 at 01:18 PM |
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Another thing......
There are sooooooooo many Attacks actually completed and on the road that you just can't help but copy them....
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sgraber
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| posted on 25/8/04 at 02:25 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by tadltd
Steve,
Don't let anything said on a forum bother you. We (when Coram was up and running) went through similar criticism on lots of different forums -
including this one.
Keep up the good work!
I was actually trying to copy the Coram/Turner LMP!!! ... But I must have done a terrible job .... Because now it looks like an Attack! 
Dohhhh!
J/K -
Steve Graber
http://www.grabercars.com/
"Quickness through lightness"
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kb58
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| posted on 25/8/04 at 02:27 PM |
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Speaking of crummy welds...
Back when the Attack was first rolled out at the Carlisle(sp?) car show they posted a few pictures of it in thier booth. I caught all sorts of hell
by pointing out it was really poor form having a dirty, oily, engine in your "show car" you're presenting to the world for the first
time.
I was flamed left, right, and center that since they rushed to finish it they didn't have time to clean it. How hard could it have been,
standing there all day long, to take a cloth and make an effort to clean it?! That's the attention to detail (like the welds) that puzzles me.
The difference between an obvious rushed job (read: we don't care much) and one done right is very slight but very important. They just
didn't seem to get it, that having a dirty engine said volumes about them personally, their company, and their idea of what's acceptable.
This goes for all kit car makers.
[Edited on 25/8/04 by kb58]
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sgraber
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| posted on 25/8/04 at 02:50 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by kb58
.... having a dirty engine said volumes about them personally, their company, and their idea of what's acceptable. This goes for all kit car
makers.
That's exactly what I thought when I saw the Mullen M-1 http://www.mullenmotorco.com/ at the Knott's kit-car show back in 2000. All looked
well until I opened the decklid and saw fiberglass dust, resin, all kinds of crap... Rushed is one thing but take an hour to clean for god's
sake man!
Steve Graber
http://www.grabercars.com/
"Quickness through lightness"
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kb58
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| posted on 25/8/04 at 03:09 PM |
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This applies to all of us car builders. Yes, if the car is going to a show there's a good chance there'll be a frantic last-minute rush
to get it ready...
Fine, but once at the show, how hard can it be to go over it with a cloth? So what if you were up until 2am getting it done, once at the show
there's tons of standing-around time. Being seen going over the car shows care, consideration, and pride of workmanship. Conversely, being
seen showing off an oily engine compartment implies you're comfortable with it, that it's how you run your business. It makes people
think all sorts of things about the car, your company, and you. They can only wonder what other ugly things lurk under there.
It's like finally getting a date with the ultimate woman and showing up in dirty pants. She still might go out with you, but why shoot yourself
in the foot?
Details matter.
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kb58
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| posted on 25/8/04 at 03:21 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by sgraber
That's exactly what I thought when I saw the Mullen M-1 http://www.mullenmotorco.com/
Very nice looking car, but disappointing website, not one picture of the engine compartment. They say the engine is a north-south configuration? No
videos?
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BenRelle
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| posted on 25/8/04 at 03:33 PM |
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I think it's a funny looking thing. What do you think the bonnet scoop is for? The rear looks particularly odd, and the 3/4 view on the site
makes the proportions look odd. If you want a 'budget' supercar, you can't really fault this guy:
http://www.noblecars.com/new-noble-site/index.html
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Alan B
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| posted on 25/8/04 at 03:57 PM |
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I agree with Kurt, except on the looks. Definitely with Ben on that one...
Also the price...wow...definitely in Noble/Ultima territory....can't be an easy sell I'm sure..
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sgraber
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| posted on 25/8/04 at 03:59 PM |
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U-huh! My thoughts about it too. FYI - The Mullen was chosen by Microsoft to be in one of their TV commercials. I think that made their heads a bit
large because of that publicity.
The engine is north-south V6 with renault trasaxle. They don't show the engine bay because frankly (if they haven't changed it) it looks
terrible.
The Noble is one amazing car. I would love to see one in person. I think that a friend of mine mentioned that there is one in Phoenix... I'll
have to check that out.
Steve Graber
http://www.grabercars.com/
"Quickness through lightness"
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kb58
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| posted on 25/8/04 at 04:16 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by BenRelle
I think it's a funny looking thing. What do you think the bonnet scoop is for?
Yeah good question about the scoop, where do you suppose all that air is needed? Of course it may be soley for looks.
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locost_bryan
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| posted on 26/8/04 at 12:48 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by BenRelle
If you want a 'budget' supercar, you can't really fault this guy:
http://www.noblecars.com/new-noble-site/index.html
or this guy http://www.saker.co.nz/gallery.php?image=sprint_road2.jpg&blurb=Saker%20Sprint%20on%20the%20road uses Subaru WRX bits in the
"standard" car (turbo 4 or H6) - or any engine you like with Renault or Porsche transaxle. A local car has a Lexus V8
Bryan Miller
Auckland NZ
Bruce McLaren - "Where's my F1 car?"
John Cooper - "In that rack of tubes, son"
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