tadltd
|
| posted on 26/5/05 at 03:51 PM |
|
|
Fair price?
I need some help, gents (and ladies...!)
I'm going to sell the prototype LMP car as a rolling chassis and need to set a fair price for it, so I'm looking for advice...
Basically it needs an engine, transmission (if not BEC), some plumbing and some wiring for it to be a runner again.
Best Regards,
Steve.
www.turnerautosport.com
|
|
|
|
|
Peteff
|
| posted on 26/5/05 at 04:42 PM |
|
|
I'll go as high as £250 if you'll deliver it. That's the going rate isn't it? The first one's got to be the dearest
though hasn't it? All the others will just be copies.
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
|
|
|
tadltd
|
| posted on 26/5/05 at 05:06 PM |
|
|
I'll take that as an insult.
Best Regards,
Steve.
www.turnerautosport.com
|
|
|
ned
|
| posted on 26/5/05 at 05:15 PM |
|
|
do radical's ever go as rolling chassis to give an idea?
i have seen various single seaters go for not a lot, but presumably yours includes all teh bodywork which makes it expensive!
Whats it worth fully built? Guess a radical or sports2000 can be had from £8-10k, old spersports car are going for around £12-15k complete.deduct cost
of engine installation ( + transmission) take a wild stab at it!
I'd hazard a complete guess at £3-5k, depends on what else is on it i suppose, how much fuel system is intact, what brakes is it running (ally 4
pots?) dash/gauges etc, also think about what the cost would be of say buying a similar kit and speccing it up to where your car is at, then chop a
bit off for 2nd hand/depreciation etc.
hope this helps?!
Ned.
beware, I've got yellow skin
|
|
|
Jon Ison
|
| posted on 26/5/05 at 05:20 PM |
|
|
well maybe you should take a look at the front of Ron Champions book to find reference too £250, this is a locst forum remember known for cheap
copies
anyhow, i looked at the pics, the car looks great, if i had room i would make an offer on it & stick a bike engine in it, did you ever do any bike
engined runs on UK circuits with the car and record any times ?
the bottom line is its worth whatever some one will pay for it like everything else.
|
|
|
tadltd
|
| posted on 26/5/05 at 05:30 PM |
|
|
Yeah, but I didn't pull bits off an old Mk2 Escort, or panelling off a scrap van to build it, Jon.
There's a lot of bespoke parts, which cost a fortune to tool (e.g. cast ally uprights, magnesium steering rack, etc.).
You basically get a complete car, minus engine and diff (driveshafts are included).
For approx. the price of a ZX12 engine (or Busa), a prop, and a differential, it would be ready for track days/racing. It's not a million miles
away from being road legal, either.
Because it was the development prototype, it was never built to a particular spec', however it closely matches the LMP-SE spec' which
retails around £26k inc. VAT.
I know that new, clubman rolling chassis from more established suppliers are in the region of £22-28k.
Best Regards,
Steve.
www.turnerautosport.com
|
|
|
Jon Ison
|
| posted on 26/5/05 at 05:41 PM |
|
|
ok, the point i was trying too get across was the £250 Pete mentioned was a tounge in cheek reference to the book not a reflection on what the cars
true value was.....
|
|
|
ned
|
| posted on 26/5/05 at 05:42 PM |
|
|
having just done a quik search, radical clubsports are going for £8-12k for champion winning proven car from a large established firm.
I did find an sr4 as a roller for £17k, but do you think you can compare it to such a well known marque? regardless of whether it is a better car or
not, people will always be suspicious of a car without an engine, i suspect it would be easier to sell complete, begs the question why is it not for
sale with the engine? or why not chuck a standard engine in to sell it if yours is tweaked?
someone imho who is the type who would buy it and fit an engine or have one fitted is gonna think by the time they've budgeted several k for an
engine they might as well go and buy a radical for hte same money that will have a known resale value.
I don't mean to cause offence as I do like the lmp, but think until it is strongly established, especially in competition where its main market
should be imho (people who buy trackday toys are less likely to want to mess about putting an engine in something imho) then its resale on the used
market will be limited as no one really knows what it is or what it's worth.
Ned.
beware, I've got yellow skin
|
|
|
tadltd
|
| posted on 26/5/05 at 06:16 PM |
|
|
Thanks, Ned - your input is appreciated.
FWIW we rarely timed it on any circuits because we always ran it at track days. However, it was just under 60s at Knockhill on road tyres in the early
stages of development. But it might be quicker with a better driver than me in it...! 
Best Regards,
Steve.
www.turnerautosport.com
|
|
|
JoelP
|
| posted on 26/5/05 at 06:22 PM |
|
|
i would finish it and put it on your site as a turnkey, gradually reducing price or inviting offers.
failing that, ebay it, with a long auction and suitable promotion in advance on your website.  as they always say, its worth whatever someone will
pay.
|
|
|
tks
|
| posted on 26/5/05 at 07:25 PM |
|
|
jeje
How much do you have in mind???
7Kpounds???
it will al depends on what it costs and what a kit costs from this car??
is there a kit???
TKs
The above comments are always meant to be from the above persons perspective.
|
|
|
tadltd
|
| posted on 26/5/05 at 08:14 PM |
|
|
Yes, there's a kit. It's all detailed on our web-site, but a comprehensive kit comes in at just under £11k inc. VAT.
A kit can be specified to any level of content, though, which can represent a large saving over the headline price.
Best Regards,
Steve.
www.turnerautosport.com
|
|
|
DaveFJ
|
| posted on 27/5/05 at 08:14 AM |
|
|
How about looking at it from a different perspective:
1. how much would it cost on top of the kit price to get this car up a running ready to race ?
2. How much are people willing to pay for a race car to compete at this level ? (you dont want to end up vastly more expensive than it's rivals
but they should be a good guideline)
3, deduct 1 from 2 and you have your kit price ?
Dave
"In Support of Help the Heroes" - Always
|
|
|
chrisf
|
| posted on 27/5/05 at 12:50 PM |
|
|
Personally, I would apply your standard gross margin percentage to your roller cost--including your man hour cost to build it to the roller stage. The
supply/demand law will dictate if you cost is too low or too high, and you can adjust from there.
Just my humble opinion.
--Chris
|
|
|
tadltd
|
| posted on 27/5/05 at 06:04 PM |
|
|
Spec
The spec is as follows:
Bodywork
7-piece GRP, painted, with, headlamp covers, rubber clips and all grille mesh. Brand new, marine ply floor; rear diffuser (GRP); front diffuser
(GRP)
Chassis
Fully triangulated, MIG welded, powder coated, spaceframe, utilising CDS round tubing and box section. Roll hoops (cockpit and main) to latest RAC/MSA
material spec. and safety dimensions. Double hoop cockpit bulkhead; pop riveted aluminium panels, removable cockpit cover; removable radiator
mount/front crash structure
Suspension
Unequal length, oval section, TIG welded, adjustable wishbones all round, fully independent, coil-over bump adjustable AVO dampers, fully
rose-jointed; bespoke cast aluminium (LM25), CNC machined uprights, with BMW E36 wheel bearings & hubs
Steering
Lightweight, bespoke magnesium steering rack; quick release steering wheel; collapsible Borgeson steering column
Fuel System
38 litre alloy, anti-surge fuel tank; external electric pump; aero filler cap; anti tip-over breather valve
Brake System
Girling reservoirs; Wilwood master cylinders (0.75 front, 0.625 rear); Wilwood adjustable bias brake pedal; Wilwood drop-forged 4-pot, alloy calipers
all round; Hawk racing pads; rubber flexi lines, but will supply Goodridge lines if preferred; Cu/Ni solid lines; vented BMW E36 brake discs
Wheels & Tyres
Azev A wheels, 8.5x17 front, 10x18 rear; Toyo Proxes T1-S tyres
Cooling System
Ford Fiesta 1.6 Zetec radiator (latest model); Ford Fiesta 1.4 Diesel cooling fan & shroud (latest model); Samco rubber hosing; aluminium
'solid' pipes; electric water pump
Instruments
Nordskog digital instruments: Speedo (records 0-60, 1/4 mile, top speed); Tacho (records highest RPM); oil pressure (records hi & lo); oil temp
(records hi & lo); water temp (records hi & lo); fuel level (reads in %) - dash panel also has an ignition cut-off and starter button
Gearshift
Push-pull cable operated, centrally mounted, sequential operation lever
Pedal box
Stainless pedal box; clutch pedal with cable operation; ergonomic swivel throttle pedal - all pedals have anti-slip tape on them
Interior
Fully trimmed GRP seats; Sabelt FIA approved 3" harnesses & pads (fitted as 4-point, but were bought as 6-point - the other straps were
never fitted but are available); neoprene covered, alloy dash panel; chequer plate footwell; passenger foot rest; hand held fire extinguisher (resides
under passenger legs)
Exhaust
Rear, stainless steel silencer (2.25" bore on the inlet side)
I think that's about everything!
[Edited on 27/5/05 by tadltd]
Best Regards,
Steve.
www.turnerautosport.com
|
|
|
tadltd
|
| posted on 12/6/05 at 04:34 PM |
|
|
The ad for this car is now on Pistonheads.
£10,000 for rolling chassis
£15,000 for ZX12 powered car
£30,000 for 300bhp GM Northstar power + 6-speed Porsche transaxle
Not locost, I know, but more FYI than anything else.
[Edited on 13/6/05 by tadltd]
Best Regards,
Steve.
www.turnerautosport.com
|
|
|
