sgraber
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| posted on 18/12/03 at 02:55 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by ned
Bet you wish you could get the body on quicker than you know it's gonna take!
Why does everyone delight in letting me know this!!!!?  haha hehe hoho hhuhuu waahhhhhh.....) 
But seriously. As crazy as it sounds, I'm actually looking forward to the creative aspect of the build. But my back and arthritic fingers would
beg to differ!
And Mr Hippy sir, I'm glad you are confined across the pond. Men, lock up yer women. 
Graber
Steve Graber
http://www.grabercars.com/
"Quickness through lightness"
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Alan B
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| posted on 18/12/03 at 05:43 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by sgraber........Why does everyone delight in letting me know this!!!!? haha hehe hoho hhuhuu waahhhhhh.....)
..........
Graber
Except me of course.
I would never say anything like that..
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MikeR
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| posted on 18/12/03 at 06:46 PM |
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And Mr Hippy sir, I'm glad you are confined across the pond. Men, lock up yer women.
Couldn't we just lock up hippy? at least then the woman AND men could feel safe  hmm, probably against some european law, better still,
we'll just send him across the pond to you and confiscate his passport!
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sgraber
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| posted on 18/12/03 at 06:47 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by MikeR
better still, we'll just send him across the pond to you and confiscate his passport!
nooooooooooooo!!!!! 
Steve Graber
http://www.grabercars.com/
"Quickness through lightness"
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Metal Hippy
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| posted on 18/12/03 at 09:23 PM |
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You're all just jealous because I have a generous helping of hair.
I know there are one or two people on the forum that may nowadays be sadly lacking...
Cock off or cock on. You choose.
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sgraber
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| posted on 18/12/03 at 09:55 PM |
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hey, hey, HEY!!! Watch it!
I could do a comb-over, but that is so gauche. Anyways, I do have head hair... it's just moved onto my back for the winter.
Graber
Steve Graber
http://www.grabercars.com/
"Quickness through lightness"
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MikeR
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| posted on 18/12/03 at 11:29 PM |
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So where the heck has mine gone????? Its doing its best to get away from my head and doesn't seem to be appearing anywhere else!
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Rorty
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| posted on 19/12/03 at 03:30 AM |
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Steve, I just watched the movie of your first drive again, and I think as nobody alse has pointed it out, I should be the one to pass on some safety
advice.
With that blind bend in your road, I would be inclined to keep on the correct side of the road when you're testing your car, at least until you
finish it and get yourself some insurance.
Cheers, Rorty.
"Faster than a speeding Pullet".
PLEASE DON'T U2U ME IF YOU WANT A QUICK RESPONSE. TRY EMAILING ME INSTEAD!
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kb58
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| posted on 19/12/03 at 03:32 AM |
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What is the ride height? In the videos it looks really low. How much suspension bump travel is there?
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JoelP
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| posted on 19/12/03 at 01:57 PM |
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atleast if it needs adjusting he can use the inboard design to change ride height and spring rate!
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sgraber
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| posted on 19/12/03 at 02:25 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by kb58
What is the ride height? In the videos it looks really low. How much suspension bump travel is there?
4" (or 101.6mm) . On that note, My '62 Ferrari 250GTO scraped coming on and off that curb. I think the car looks lower because the bottom
rail is so far to the outside of the car. It's adjustable from about 2-1/2" to about 5".
The car settles about 2" coming off the jackstands. So, 7-8" total front travel. 5" total rear travel
Graber
[Edited on 12/19/03 by sgraber]
Steve Graber
http://www.grabercars.com/
"Quickness through lightness"
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kb58
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| posted on 19/12/03 at 04:10 PM |
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Good amount of travel. I was wondering about if you hit a bump under braking, could the car bottom on the ground? Where in the suspension are the
bump stops, on the shocks? Do the drive axles end up being parallel to the ground at standard ride height?
I'm currently in a one-sided [I'm the "one side,"] argument on the Attack forum. I hear the Attack has 1.5" of travel.
Yes, 1.5". (Can't tell for sure from the manufacturer's site though.) Anyway enthusiasts there say I'm just raining on thier
parade and being negative when I say it isn't going to work on the street. In fact they've become downright hostile. I even got a
lecture from the moderator about being so negative.
Doesn't mean I'm wrong...
Oh heck, here you go:
http://www.attackforums.com/showthread.php?s=88f50fda33c4ab156817cb764d589d80&threadid=1125
They show some videos of the car and I'm the only one not posting "rah-rah I'm-in-love" posts.
[Edited on 19/12/03 by kb58]
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Alan B
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| posted on 19/12/03 at 04:16 PM |
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To be honest I'm quite skeptical of the Attack.....looks very nice, but a lot of the spec and write up doesn't seem quite right...not sure
why...just seems odd for some reason.....when I see some customer built examples, then I'll be inclined to be believe it...
quote:
Originally posted by kb58
Good amount of travel. I was wondering about if you hit a bump under braking, could the car bottom on the ground? Where in the suspension are the
bump stops, on the shocks?
I'm currently in a one-sided [I'm the "one side,"] argument on the Attack forum. I hear the Attack has 1.5" of travel.
Yes, 1.5". (Can't tell for sure from the manufacturer's site though.) Anyway enthusiasts there say I'm just raining on thier
parade and being negative when I say it isn't going to work on the street. In fact they've become downright hostile. I even got a
lecture from the moderator about being so negative.
Doesn't mean I'm wrong...
[Edited on 19/12/03 by kb58]
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Spyderman
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| posted on 19/12/03 at 06:28 PM |
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KB, I wouldn't worry too much about it if I were you!
The level of intelligence shown on that site is not exactly Mensa threatening.
A good example is "how come the gear selector goes left for first gear? Why isn't it reversed?". Duh!
No one could counter your comments with anything other than insults!
Leave them to sort their own problems out.
Some people just won't accept your help regardless!
Shame really as it shows some potential.
Spyderman
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MikeR
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| posted on 19/12/03 at 06:31 PM |
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I'm curious about something, tried to post a question but couldn't - waiting for account activation.
The car is designed for the track yet I can't see any roll over protection. I suppose the front window could be it - but its already leaning
towards the driver, if that gives its only going to bend 1 way - towards the driver!!!!
eeek.
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Alan B
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| posted on 19/12/03 at 06:43 PM |
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Yeah...like you guys I've been studying the site too......
On the plus side there does actually appear to be real build ups going on...
On the negative side the amount of tube notching being done on the frame to fit stuff in is alarming...
I think what it does show though is that there really IS interest in stuff other than Cobras over here........and that is a good
thing...don't you think?.....Steve, Kurt?
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sgraber
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| posted on 19/12/03 at 07:02 PM |
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Ah yes, kill the dissenter.
Really KB, I don't think that you could win any type of argument in that type of environment. They have managed to create an almost religious
aura to that car.
Granted, I think it is a great looking car. But I would certainly like to hear a performance review of the car from a non-biased source. And that
would preclude ALL traditional media.
Graber
Steve Graber
http://www.grabercars.com/
"Quickness through lightness"
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kb58
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| posted on 19/12/03 at 07:11 PM |
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I just want people to be happy with what they end up with. After spending $25,000 or so, it would be a shame if people are un happy. I'm just
trying to convey the point that if they're about to spend that much, shouldn't they at least get a ride? Apparently I'm wrong...
OTOH, it'll be their own fault if they don't like it.
And yes, it is very much like a religeous thing on that site.
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sgraber
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| posted on 19/12/03 at 07:15 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Alan B
.....and that is a good thing...don't you think?.....Steve, Kurt?
Oh yes, it is a good thing. The more options people have, the more everyone benefits. Even the entrenched Cobra companies would benefit from increased
exposure to the industry.
Steve Graber
http://www.grabercars.com/
"Quickness through lightness"
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Spottty
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| posted on 20/12/03 at 01:01 AM |
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Well after watching the videos I am not really impressed. My friends BMW (M powered 325) would work that thing and it has about the same about of
money into it.
Also, he seemed to be sliding alot even when he is going pretty slow. That 180 turn impaticular.
I dont know, it looks cool and is a cool concept but it just doesnt seem to handle all that great. It looks very sensitive.
Best thing to do for a build....
Ditch the wife!
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pbura
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| posted on 20/12/03 at 04:48 AM |
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Attack
Took a look at the manufacturer's page:
http://www.euroworksltd.com/default.htm
Their background is in body kitting. You know, make your Mustang look like a Lambo. The bodywork on the Attack IS nice, if you're into that.
It's telling that the biggest vid on the page was of the body exterior.
Yeah, it looked a little slidy, but controllable. Didn't look that fast on the track, either. Wonder what it ran against?
Edit: My bad, that is the US rep's website, not the manufacturer K-1 Styling & Tuning. Still
basically a body shop, IMO. Also, the biggest video was of the front end.
[Edited on 20/12/03 by pbura]
Pete
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kb58
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| posted on 20/12/03 at 06:59 AM |
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I agree they did a very, very nice job on the body... must have a LOT of molds for all the panels, and I know a ton of work <remembers composite
work... shudders>
I read the official "reply" to my post over on the Attack site. At least I got them to say it's "for the track" - I
don't think I've seen that admission before. Anyway I call BS on that since they clearly think everyone is going to drive it on the
street (headlights, wipers...) Yet they still haven't stated suspension travel...
Given their logic then, they should cut the suspension travel down to F1 levels of 1/4" or so. That'll *really* make it a race car. (I
admit a small part of me likes holding people's feet to the fire when I detect BS in their sales pitch.)
I'll leave them alone for now, I've done my part to make people understand what they're getting into. I just hope they test drive
it on a normal street before buying.
(oh, and I'd like to give graber his thread back... sorry. I keep forgetting, it's not all about me!)
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kb58
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| posted on 20/12/03 at 07:19 AM |
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Okay, just one more. I found the Attack's suspension travel data on K1's website, and I quote:
"The whole suspension trajectory is only 4cm."
That's total travel!!!
Anyone here ever ride in a car (on the street) with that much total travel? I expect that "feature" to cause "issues."
At least if I get kicked off the site I can still read the posts.
[Edited on 20/12/03 by kb58]
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MikeR
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| posted on 20/12/03 at 10:32 AM |
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Hmmm, thanks for the web site - i know its easy to critise but .....
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The chassis acts as the tubing for coolant to flow to the front of the car.
So did an early 60's lotus race car and the FIA banned it.
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In designing the car what qualifications did the frame designer have? The Attack was built be team of engineers and car racers. The “father” of
concept frame finished the highest Education University of Industrial Design – Transportation faculty. This gentleman works for AUDI and Volkswagen in
Germany.
Hmm, and which university is this? what was the course? Sorry i'm starting to smell marketing bull here. I work with marketing every day and am
used to this.....hold on, I've been to Coventry Uni, I've talked to you guys, doesn't that mean I could write,
"The design was overseen by someone who attended the UK's most presigious and world renowned automotive university. The team was hand
picked and drawn from automotive experts around the world". The fact that I've never studied at Coventry Uni etc etc isn't really
important. Damn, did i just include Hippy as an expert????
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How is the car expected to handle? I would want such a car to handle extremely well. I love the handling of the Mazda Miata, which is world renown for
it's handling and want something similar.
O.K. well, I hope we don’t make you sad saying that Miata would not be any competition to the Attack. This vehicle is close to a race machine. The
whole suspension trajectory is only 4cm (1,57". It is tough & sporty suspension, made and designed especially for this vehicle only, by a
company, who makes the racing suspension for Audi Racing Team.
Yeah Yeah, what you mean is, on the track. Hold on, You've got your own automotive design team who designed the chassis but you get specialists
in who work for the Audi Racing Team to design your suspension. Ah, no, they only make the Audi Racing Teams suspension. Yeah, i know, i'm being
REALLY picky now.
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How safe is this car in the even of a crash, it has no crumple zones and the force transmitted to the drive may be high.
As far as tested on "AUTOCAD 2" PC program, yes, it is O.K.
What does that reply mean? What is OK? God i'm getting cynical now.
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Are the roll bars functional?
Of course they are. 6 times more overloaded than the weight of actual vehicle.
Cool, excellent, what about rear / forward bracing? What about drawing a line between the front of the car and the roll bar and making sure the
drivers head isn't going to get squished ???? What about if i small driver moves the seat forward bit of a risk that windscreen is going to
squish them! Yeah most road cars are unbraced but this car was designed for the track remember.
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Will the aerodynamics package allow for enough down force to keep the car firmly planted at speeds in excess of 100 mph?
The car is very wide and relatively short and at that speed, it could flip over if the front end started to float. That’s why the big intake opening
in front is so deep and is making the needed down force to the front of the vehicle.
Oh come on, I've been driven a mini (old style) at a 100 mph (long down hill motorway). That didn't flip. Its less weight at 500kg with
zero aerodynamics. What about BEC seven's with clamshells. At a 100mph they have lift and sod all weight......It might handle crap but for it to
flip at a 100mph thats going to have to be one hell of a lot of lift (or rough track with that suspension travel).
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Will the kit be available as a RHD car, as well?
Yes, we are planning to accommodate the car to UK, Japan and Australian market as soon as it will be introduced in USA and we will see the demand more
exactly
Hmmm, Id like to see you drive it on our roads in a straight line!
How many easten european cars do you get in america?
http://photos.attackforums.com/showphoto.php?photo=82&password=&sort=2&thecat=515
Can't help thinking that this photo has not been taken in the USA.
Okay, I've just been VERY VERY negative. I'm having a bad morning. I think the car looks VERY nice.
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MikeR
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| posted on 20/12/03 at 10:44 AM |
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Eeek, sorry that was so long!
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