coyoteboy
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| posted on 12/2/11 at 07:58 PM |
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FTO tiptronic box
Anyone experienced driving one in anger? Paddle shifty fun worth while or slushy slow changes bound to drive you mad in a kit?
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JacksAvon
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| posted on 12/2/11 at 08:14 PM |
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I have driven cars with these boxes in, Ferrari, Lambo, Aston, Porche and instructed people in them.
Also driven them 60 milles on the Motorway, novelty comes to mind.
Maybe nice for a lazy drive, but would not like to race one unless we are talking F1 style
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lewis
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| posted on 12/2/11 at 09:12 PM |
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I had one & was a good fun car I miss it :-( the kick down was a bit violent,don't think I would work in many kits as it's fwd.
[Edited on 12/2/11 by lewis]
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coyoteboy
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| posted on 13/2/11 at 12:56 AM |
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It's really a thought that if I were to pick the engine (a nice 2 litre 200hp) then I'd have the choice of manual or the auto, and the
tiptronicy/auto could be paddle shifted nicely, but if it doesnt shift as and when demanded and provide engine braking it's not worth it. I
could robotise a manual instead, it'd just take a bit more effort!
No intention to build a kit BTW 
[Edited on 13/2/11 by coyoteboy]
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lewis
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| posted on 13/2/11 at 09:47 AM |
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That was in auto mode,in tip mode obviously you decide the gear changes & the V6 engine was cool too,also consider the BMW tip box too if you are
looking for red application. :-)
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coyoteboy
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| posted on 15/2/11 at 12:42 PM |
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I'm baffled. Most on the owners clubs suggest its the best box in the world (as you'd expect). A few people from other forums who have
just owned one use the phrase "slushbox" which doesn't instill confidence, and others say it's very direct, shifts immediately
and faster than a manual. Also some have pointed out that the auto box is very heavy?
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lewis
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| posted on 15/2/11 at 01:14 PM |
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Def not quicker than a manual,and def not the greatest gearbox ever built.
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flibble
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| posted on 15/2/11 at 01:18 PM |
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I thought "slushbox" was just an American slang for automatic trans?
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norfolkluego
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| posted on 15/2/11 at 01:29 PM |
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I had an FTO with a tiptronic box, it was fantastic, in 'manual' the gearchange was mega quick certainly faster than you could do it
yourself, in auto it was a normal auto box althought it was (allegedly) an 'intellegent box that would learn your driving style, all round I
couldn't fault either the engine or the gearbox
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coyoteboy
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| posted on 15/2/11 at 03:14 PM |
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See, how can there be such variation in opinion !? 
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lewis
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| posted on 15/2/11 at 03:23 PM |
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Because it's a opinion.
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BenB
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| posted on 15/2/11 at 03:35 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by lewis
Because it's a opinion.
 LOL
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coyoteboy
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| posted on 15/2/11 at 04:51 PM |
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Fair point!
I want facts, damnit lol
I'd have assumed that from a bunch of people "in to" cars there's be reasonable concensus on performance. I suppose theres car
to car variation to worry about too!
Damn this world of variables.
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scootz
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| posted on 15/2/11 at 04:53 PM |
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I'm guessing you could only use a Tiptronic box with the engine it was designed for?
It's Evolution Baby!
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lewis
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| posted on 15/2/11 at 05:02 PM |
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Tbo would not be my first choice of gearbox it's complicated and unreliable quite often used to read threads about gearbox stuck in one
gear/loose a gear and the dreaded flashing 'N' there are plenty of other gearboxes that are better.
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Strontium Dog
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| posted on 15/2/11 at 05:07 PM |
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I've driven another Mitsi with tiptronic and it was surprisingly good. I think you really need to go and get a test drive or three and see if it
floats your boat or not. I'd still prefer a stick, but that's just preference at the end of the day
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Confused
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| posted on 16/2/11 at 02:39 PM |
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A very good automatic gearbox, with the option of choosing the gears yourself, and its INVECS system will learn your driving style and adapt shifts to
suit.
However, at the end of the day, it's still an automatic gearbox with a torque converter.
A very good one, at that, but still an automatic.
DSG-type boxes which are electronically controlled manual clutch/box combos are better, as you don't get the drivetrain loss due to the torque
converter - but they're not as common.
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norfolkluego
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| posted on 16/2/11 at 09:25 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by lewis
Tbo would not be my first choice of gearbox it's complicated and unreliable quite often used to read threads about gearbox stuck in one
gear/loose a gear and the dreaded flashing 'N' there are plenty of other gearboxes that are better.
Not sure they're particularly unreliable (never had trouble with mine in fact the car didn't give me any trouble at all) but I suspect the
gearbox would be expensive if it did go wrong. Liked the engine though, over 200 bhp from a normally aspirated 2 litre, 8,000 red line IIRC,
can't be that bad.
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thefreak
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| posted on 16/2/11 at 10:55 PM |
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They're ok, but like any autobox they sap so much power. If not looked after and at least the oil changed often they do break. They're not
that expensive now there's quite a few breakers, but they're a pain in the ass to fix if you start taking them apart. They rely on a bunch
of sensors that can be tempremental.
In all honesty I wouldn't bother with one. Yes the Mivec engine is good, but again needs looking after otherwise the bottom end will go.
There's not a lot you can do with them to get more power either, Mitsi pretty much rung the neck of the engine getting 200bhp/150lbft.
I owned a few from 1998-2008, and the last one was a tip. Hateful thing ended up breaking it for spares because the damn thing still wouldn't
work after stripping/rebuilding/replacing engine+box etc.
I'm still an active member on the Owners Club so can pass on some breakers if you want to pick one up cheaply for the engine/box.
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coyoteboy
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| posted on 17/2/11 at 12:33 AM |
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Thanks for that. I think we've pretty much pulled the plug on the tip box then, but the engine is still an interest with the manual box. You say
that mitsu have pretty much taken it to the limit but Ive seen a few GRs with turbos claiming 300ish - but I presume with low CR pistons and a full
bottom end rebuild?
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thefreak
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| posted on 17/2/11 at 09:26 AM |
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More likely wild owner estimates with standard bolt ons.
With the NA engine, without spending massive $$ you're going to be lucky to see more than a real 10-15bhp upgrade. That includes a remap,
straight through exhaust and decent filter.
you can get upgraded cams for them, but they're a lot and only available from 1 supplier in Aus (RPW). You cant really raise the compression
either.
You can do the porting and polishing and make sure everything is running sweet, then I think the most anyone has got was 22bhp. Nothing like the gains
you can get from something like the B18 or the K20 from Honda who take really well to modest upgrades.
Anything quoted from 250bhp> will be either forced induction or Nitrus, and there hasn't been enough F/I modifications to make it either a
reliable or cheap upgrade.
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coyoteboy
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| posted on 17/2/11 at 10:59 AM |
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Aye, it was turbocharged to .8 bar, so the value is approximately correct but I've no idea what pistons they used or whether they were knocking
to death etc.
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thefreak
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| posted on 17/2/11 at 11:45 AM |
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They'd be running standard pistons as there's nothing off the shelf that will go into the block, and most owners' pockets nowadays
aren't deep enough to change the oil never mind have custom parts manufactured
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coyoteboy
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| posted on 17/2/11 at 12:10 PM |
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Theres a few turbo kits about, no idea of the problems related to the specific combo though:
http://www.autofashion.co.uk/mitsubishi_fto.htm
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thefreak
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| posted on 17/2/11 at 12:31 PM |
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Yep. £3k plus fitting for an untried and untested kit.
Not many people want to spend that on a car they've probably only paid £1k for. And if they were looking to spend £4k+ on an upgrade, it's
cheaper and more cost effective to drop the 2.5 vr4 or 2l Evo engine in the car as they're 276bhp as standard, then you can start playing
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