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| posted on 10/8/04 at 09:02 AM |
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mr2 mid engined 7!
in case you missed it, under the locost related section:
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=16251
Ned.
beware, I've got yellow skin
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marktigere1
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| posted on 10/8/04 at 09:22 AM |
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Are we not seeing the future?
All kit cars must embrace front wheel drive donors eventually as Sierra's run out? Fancied a Mojo myself until I added up the eventual cost??
(2 kids wife etc etc)
If a bolt is stuck force it.
If it breaks, it needed replacing anyway!!!
(My Dad 1991)
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mangogrooveworkshop
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| posted on 10/8/04 at 09:24 AM |
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Robin Hood did the same thing with mini metro donar. A few years back now but never put it to market. Project was for sale with the KIAG thing. They
sold to that to some punter under the banner "Own your own kit car biz."
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mangogrooveworkshop
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| posted on 10/8/04 at 09:27 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by marktigere1
Are we not seeing the future?
All kit cars must embrace front wheel drive donors eventually as Sierra's run out? Fancied a Mojo myself until I added up the eventual cost??
(2 kids wife etc etc)
Just move onto BMW rear wheel drive and freelander diffs with bec power!
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marktigere1
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| posted on 10/8/04 at 09:39 AM |
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Nice!!!
If a bolt is stuck force it.
If it breaks, it needed replacing anyway!!!
(My Dad 1991)
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DaveFJ
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| posted on 10/8/04 at 10:48 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by marktigere1
Are we not seeing the future?
All kit cars must embrace front wheel drive donors eventually as Sierra's run out? Fancied a Mojo myself until I added up the eventual cost??
(2 kids wife etc etc)
EH??
The MR2 donor is mid engined rear wheel drive ??
as is the resultant car
Dave
"In Support of Help the Heroes" - Always
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liam.mccaffrey
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| posted on 10/8/04 at 11:05 AM |
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i am building something similar but with the engine from a daewoo nubira(FWD), nice to see it though ugly as it is
where's the fuel tank?
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locoboy
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| posted on 10/8/04 at 11:06 AM |
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just incase you missed my reply in the other section
FUGLY IMHO
Wouldnt be seen to be making it let alone driving the horror.
ATB
Locoboy
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TheGecko
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| posted on 10/8/04 at 01:35 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by marktigere1
All kit cars must embrace front wheel drive
donors eventually as Sierra's run out?
Originally posted by protofj
EH??
The MR2 donor is mid engined rear wheel drive ?? as is the resultant car
I think the point that marktigere1 is making is that transverse FWD donors are the future. The MR2 is just Corolla running gear mounted behind the
cabin instead of infront. In the same way, the X1/9 is 128 drivetrain and the MGF/Mk1 Elise Metro. The latest Elise is, of course, back to
Corolla/Celica running gear (Toyota 2ZZ-GE/6-spd package).
I'm building a mid-engined clubman with Corolla drivetrain. I agree with the comments that the example illustrated above is not aesthetically
perfect I spent a VERY long time sketching and modelling to get something close to acceptable proportions. I still won't really know until
it's built but the model seems OK - here's the nearly finished 1:10 model to give some idea of where I'm going.
Dominic
Brisbane, Australia
http://www.DIYSportsCar.org
[Edited on 10/8/2004 by TheGecko]
[Edited on 10/8/2004 by TheGecko]
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sgraber
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| posted on 10/8/04 at 03:18 PM |
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It's gonna go this way... Mid-engine that is... You can already see the mindset shifting as we definitely are seeing a spate of scratch built
middies and even the established kit makers are researching and designing. It may take a while till someone gets a shape that is acceptable, at a cost
that is acceptable, with weight and performance that is comparable to a seven style. But it WILL happen sooner than later. And I'm hoping that
it's ME and ALAN that get there! Right Alan?! (In the USA that is.)
Dominic, have you had a chance to build your body as a model in 3D yet so we can rotate it around and get a virtual feel for the proportions? To me it
looks very close to that image that was posted. Which BTW the guy did a great job of packaging. But you can certainly tell that the line is not the
same. Problem is that the Seven contingent is fixated on the original shape.
Funny how some of you say it looks f-ugly when the opinion of most people on the planet is that the original 7 looks fooking ugly too!  I happen to
love the form follows function of the little 7!
Graber
"Plastics, the future is plastics"
Steve Graber
http://www.grabercars.com/
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derf
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| posted on 10/8/04 at 04:37 PM |
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Personally I was never a fan of the 7 shape, but the performance figures dont lie, it's a quick and nimble car, and for the price it's
costing me to build (so far) I love the way it looks (especially with a full wallet). That being said yes the one in the other thread is a bit
"off" in its dimensions, but for being a test figure and not knowing what research he did prior to building it...
Plus what does he care, as long as the owner is happe thats all that matters.
Steve, I hope my mid engine car is done before the kit car manufacturers catch up, and I havnt even styarted on it yet, or finished the current build.
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TheGecko
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| posted on 11/8/04 at 12:52 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by sgraber
Dominic, have you had a chance to build your body as a model in 3D yet so we can rotate it around and get a virtual feel for the proportions? To me it
looks very close to that image that was posted. Which BTW the guy did a great job of packaging. But you can certainly tell that the line is not the
same.
Steve,
I have neither the time or the resources (read that as 'ability' ) to create a 3D computer model. I haven't finished the 1:10
physical model either - instead I'm just building at 1:1 and hoping for the best
I think that my car resembles the posted one but only because it must due to the shared intent and layout. I feel the builder has made a couple of
significant errors that affect the looks for the worse. Primarily, he's left not one, but two descending style lines - the belt line under the
ugly little louvre panel; and the line around the engine cover area. Lines that dip to the rear like that do not evoke a sporty look. I went to a
fair bit of effort to keep those sort of lines either rising or level, particularly the engine cover with its recessed louvered sides to help hide its
height.
I'm a long way from being finished (to put it mildly) but once I've got the basic chassis close to complete I'll probably give it
some temporary panels (hardboard or even cardboard) and squirt a coat of paint over it to check the looks.
Dominic
PS Hope your back is feeling better. I know what you mean about getting old I turned 40 on Monday 2nd and sometimes lately I feel much, much
older
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liam.mccaffrey
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| posted on 11/8/04 at 01:32 PM |
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i agree with gecko those downlines are not good, i don't like the font though either it doesn't seem to know what its doing either have a
full 7 type nose (like i will) or have a front a bit like the dragon F1 car pictured a few weeks ago. it looks to me like its trying to be a bit of
both.
also the paint job lets it down.
i don't want to slag this car off as i quite like it, its just it could be so much more just by changing a few details and getting a tidy paint
job.
P.S.
this is the closest pic i have seen to what my car is like in my mind
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kb58
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| posted on 11/8/04 at 03:31 PM |
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I read this whole thread before looking at the car under discussion. It doesn't look bad to me and keeps to the intent of Colin Chapman. Yes
the engine cover could be done a little better but I give him full points for actually finishing. He's out there driving while we, a bunch of
arm-chair critics, point out his "failings." Maybe if we spent more time building we'd actually be driving too.
How are we going to answer the pointy question, "Why'd you do it this way? It looks all wrong, I wouldn't have do it like
that." We answer this way, "When you build your car you can do whatever you want!"
He's done and we aren't. And once we finish ours, you can bet there's going to be plenty of negative comments about them too!
[Edited on 11/8/04 by kb58]
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derf
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| posted on 11/8/04 at 03:40 PM |
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I thought I was plenty positive, "if it makes him happy, blah blah blah"
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Alan B
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| posted on 11/8/04 at 03:50 PM |
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KB...great post...
You are dead right.
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liam.mccaffrey
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| posted on 11/8/04 at 03:56 PM |
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i didn't think this thread was at all negative, i regret if my own reply was taken as such.
the discusion was about design points there is nothing wrong with that.
as for arm-chair critics i have the utmost repect for anyone building especially people doing their own thing and even more for people who have
finished, i don't see the problem with swapping opinions on other peoples work.
i know sometimes written responses can be taken differently to the way they are meant, i just want anyone who reads this to know it was written in
good spirits and with a smile
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kb58
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| posted on 11/8/04 at 04:04 PM |
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Huh? No, not you specifically, it's just the overall slant of the discussion. I try to resist (not always successfully) not putting down other
people's cars because I know the same thing is going to come my way.
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liam.mccaffrey
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| posted on 11/8/04 at 04:08 PM |
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you are right, i would be reluctant to put my own work up for scrutiny for the same reason. but i will probably bite the bullet and do it when the
time comes.
at the end of the day as kb rightly said each to their own and build what you like some will like it other won't
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Cita
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| posted on 11/8/04 at 04:54 PM |
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I think the guy has done a great job and as i said in the other thread,the look of the locost 7 is not all that different from what the guy has
created.
I'm sure that with a little stretching here and there the difference in body style will be completely according the 7 lines.
This is the way things will go in the future,no doubt about that(rear engine i mean)
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spunky
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| posted on 12/8/04 at 08:03 AM |
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My tuppence worth
As i have finished building a Middy I may as well comment.
I too reckon more MECs will begin to appear as th doners run out, we are a resourceful bunch and the lack of RWD doners wont stop us.
As for asthetics. I've always believed the ME format is very difficult to to get the proportions right, its very difficult to get away from the
'big arse' on a small car. Even the big boys get it wrong, MGF for example (IMHO).
The subject of this post is essentially a Seven with driver and engine redistributed, as a result has the same appeal of a Seven (you likes 'em
or you dont) Personally I feel its a natural development and Mr Chapman would approve.
Alan and Steve are certainly leading the way, and are producing two beautiful and different cars.
Mine on the other hand suffers greatly with 'Fat Arse' syndrome but it is a very small car, but I like the front.
 
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But the cautious man does not live at all.....
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liam.mccaffrey
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| posted on 12/8/04 at 12:32 PM |
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i really like the back of yours
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TheGecko
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| posted on 12/8/04 at 01:51 PM |
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I must agree that the car in question is better than mine and many others by simple fact of actually being finished
quote:
As for asthetics. I've always believed the ME format is very difficult to to get the proportions right, its very difficult to get away
from the 'big arse' on a small car.
[snip]
Mine on the other hand suffers greatly with 'Fat Arse' syndrome but it is a very small car, but I like the front.
Spunky,
Fat Arse syndrome is the curse of the small middy. I battled with it for a LONG time. I think what I've come up with works pretty well but
only time and final construction will really tell. Here's a pic of the 1:10 models backside to give some idea.
Dominic
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spunky
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| posted on 12/8/04 at 02:39 PM |
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I would agree Dominic, the model looks good. proportions are right. It is, I assume a seven inspired middy, therefore options are limited unless you
go full bodied/make the car bigger, which misses the whole point. Good work I say, also you have my respect as you are scratch building, I had no
input into body design of mine, that was A certain Lee Noble. He did go on to design truly beautiful cars though.
Thanks Liam but I dont like the back, I really think it needs a descreet spoiler to break up the 'slab'
This shows it better.
 
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But the cautious man does not live at all.....
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sgraber
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| posted on 12/8/04 at 03:32 PM |
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Spunky, what tail lights are those? And what are the dimensions? If you don't mind my asking?
Can you also give me a dimension from the axle centerline to the bulkhead just in front of the engine?
BTW- (Ass ends are big on my mind lately) I look at all of them. Cars and womens that is...
[Edited on 8/12/04 by sgraber]
Steve Graber
http://www.grabercars.com/
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