Toprivetguns
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| posted on 9/3/16 at 08:04 PM |
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Vehicle tax rant
Evening,
I have just recently sold my wife's car as of tomorrow. Her tax is paid till the end of May, hence she will receive a refund for the months of
April and May. Now the new owner will most likely tax the car from Friday, however they will lose the first 10 days of march.
So in a roundabout way the government gains a months vehicle tax for free ?
The whole system is a joke... No to mention diesels and lower emissions cars getting away with no vehicle tax.
Grrrr, breath, beer....
Only drive as fast as your angel can fly... !
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ruskino80
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| posted on 9/3/16 at 09:51 PM |
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yep. multiplied by thousands of vehicles changing hands every month, ker-ching!!!
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ReMan
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| posted on 9/3/16 at 09:59 PM |
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Ker fook in Ching
Sooner they drop it and put it on fuel the better
www.plusnine.co.uk
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craig1410
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| posted on 9/3/16 at 10:03 PM |
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Look at it another way - if they weren't doing this then they would just have to raise tax rates for everyone instead. At least this only
penalises those who are in a position to change vehicle, mostly the buyer because the seller can control when the sale takes place.
So the gov't get £10-20 out of a typical sale - I think there are bigger concerns when buying or selling a car privately to be honest. How much
fuel is the car will make 3-4 times this difference or if it needs tyres soon or new wipers or any one of thousands of other things. Don't let
something like this distract you from something important like an HPI check or conducting the transaction safely.
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Brook_lands
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| posted on 9/3/16 at 10:07 PM |
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When it was a pre printed paper disc doing it a month at a time could have been seen as a pragmatic solution.
Now its all computerised they could have done it to the second, minute, hour or whatever but stuck with the month. I'm sure to the day would
have been sensible and possible.
I believe around 7 million used cars are bought/sold in the Uk each year. Let's assume average VED is £15 a month and that half have current VED
so that's £52.5 million extra into the government coffers. OK sounds a lot but in the scheme of government funding its loose change and the
equivalent to about 2 days net payments to the EU. I just think some very un-creative programmers just computerised what existed rather than it being
a cunning plan to extricate more tax, the windfall what just a pleasant (for HMG) side effect.
If you want to see how to really do it then a 5 or 6 pence duty increase on a litre of fuel in the forthcoming budget would raise about £2.5 billion.
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mark chandler
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| posted on 9/3/16 at 10:24 PM |
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The government makes money yes however..
When you used to sell a car you could have been giving away months of tax, unless you sold in the last few weeks of your tax expiring so in a
roundabout way you could be better off, change your car yearly you may end up paying for 13 months tax worst case.
if it gets more taxed cars on the road that has to be a good thing as it = insurance and MOT at that point in time, the people that do not bother with
such trivial things stand a much higher chance of getting caught earlier on.
Make sure YOU send on the v5 details.
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02GF74
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| posted on 10/3/16 at 05:14 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Brook_lands.
Now its all computerised they could have done it to the second, minute, hour or whatever but stuck with the month. I'm sure to the day would
have been sensible and possible.
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I said that previously and im in agreement that its 100% idiotic.
It almost certainly more effort to develop and test software to round up or down a date to a weekly or monthly boundary than make a function call to
get current date/time.
Governments are known for spending other peoples money efficiently.
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nick205
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| posted on 10/3/16 at 08:59 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by ReMan
Ker fook in Ching
Sooner they drop it and put it on fuel the better
I'm with you, it should be tax on fuel not the car. That way you'd pay for the miles you do and fuel you use not just a set price to use
the road irrespective of how many miles you do. Personally I'd rather pay it as fuel tax, not road tax.
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cliftyhanger
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| posted on 10/3/16 at 09:19 AM |
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But putting fuel duty up causes a real backlash with the big users and "once a week shopping" grannys alike. Put it on VED and nobody
worries too much.
Besides, we have bought 2 newish cars this year. First one was zero tax, the 2nd was £20 a year. That isn't exactly breaking the bank. Many
newish cars are very low VED, something that is about to change and go (a real step back I believe) to a flat rate of £140 a year after the initial
year (or is it 3?)
Of course all this will apply to new cars only. Means I will be keeping our cheap tax cars for a while. As long as teh local council maintain teh half
price parking permits for low emissions cars as well (that saves me over £300 a year on my car!!)
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DJT
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| posted on 10/3/16 at 10:58 AM |
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Be thankful it is not like the French system. Registering a car with a new owner is taxed based on the engine power. So a couple hundred Euros for
something like a Peugeot 106, but many hundreds for a 5-series type. There is much less 'churn' of second hand cars and I imagine less
business in flipping cars after a quick tidy up, a la Wheeler Dealers.
http://tigeravonbuilddiary.blogspot.com/
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Toprivetguns
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| posted on 10/3/16 at 01:16 PM |
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Unfortunately it is what it is. Just infuriating that most things are pro-rata these days apart from vehicle tax.
If your mortgage or council tax was rounded up to the month after you sold your home, I'm sure more people would complain and protest.
I will feel much better when all cars pay the correct amount of tax accordingly to a mileage/C02 calculator, however I doubt this will ever happen.
The government is fair too keen on diesels and small petrol engines and slowly increasing the tax on older, larger petrol engines.
Only drive as fast as your angel can fly... !
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SPYDER
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| posted on 10/3/16 at 02:00 PM |
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Diesels don't all "get away with it" Andy.
Mine certainly doesn't.
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nick205
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| posted on 10/3/16 at 03:45 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by SPYDER
Diesels don't all "get away with it" Andy.
Mine certainly doesn't.
My previous Volve V50 1.6D was low VED £30/yr IIRC.
It has to be said whilst it was economical it was however a naff car in most other respects.
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 10/3/16 at 04:03 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by ReMan
Sooner they drop it and put it on fuel the better
I totally agree - if you don't use the roads much you won't use much fuel, and so pay little tax. If you spend your life hammering up and
down the motorways then you'll pay heavily. If you buy a lardy 4x4 then you'll also pay.
However, (a) I doubt that the government would have the courage to do it, and (b) the 'working man in a vehicle' would shout long and hard
as they've had an easy time to date, subsidised by those who don't use the roads much and have paid more than their share of the
"road wear and tear" bill. Of course, I doubt that much of the VED goes into road maintenance, being more of another way to tax the
proles.
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 10/3/16 at 04:04 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by cliftyhanger
Many newish cars are very low VED, something that is about to change and go (a real step back I believe) to a flat rate of £140 a year after the
initial year (or is it 3?)
I hadn't heard about that?! When's that coming into force? My Yaris is £30 a year - one of the reasons I bought it.
Hmm - just looked it up - cheeky beggars. So much for cheap tax on the small cars; they must have been losing too much money on that concession.
[Edited on 10/3/16 by David Jenkins]
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cliftyhanger
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| posted on 10/3/16 at 05:17 PM |
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But your yaris will always be £30 a year, so hang onto it.
Our pug 107 is zero, the toyota is £20, my Zetec spitfire, TR7 powered (triumph) toledo, classic mini all free. The 1990 MX5 is well over £200   so
will be going soon. In fact the mini will be too. Just too many cars to look after...
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