Hi All,

At long last I have started building my velocity, and I was wondering if any of you had any tips for the installation of the brake line, fuel lines and wiring loom when using a Toyota 4AGE.

I plan to use the 16V 4AGE with the standard ECU and injection system, but have been told this is difficult to get working (not that that put me off!)

Thanks,
Tim

hi there, Im doing exactly the same build. Ill be keeping the standered Efi as well, with a new shortened plenum from RAW. I have the velocity chassis with the locost body work which is an inch lower.

I dont think theres anything substantial i can tell you just yet. havent put the engine in, been at uni the last 2.5 months. You should have the engine in by the time you start wiring up so youll be ably to see where the loom connectors are. Some guys also recommend keeping the fuel and brake pipes on one side of the tunnel and the loom wires on the other.

Have you got an engine yet btw?

I'm sticking a 4AGE in my Velocity too but going the easy route with twin carbs!

Hey gazza where in Nottingham are you? id love to have a gander at your build while im still up here, im at loughborough uni. i see on your website that you hired a van from beeston van hire, i actually go to my OTC in beeston.

Hi, dont know if I can help but i've got a 4AGE in an Indy!
I'm just in the process of wiring everything up now using TVIS injection set up and standard ecu and engine loom.
I'm using sierra column switches and making my own chassis /lighting set up.
I tried using the engine bay fuse relay box
but after trying to sort the switched ignition input and the outputs used I realised you are making things too complicated.
Chopped the bloody thing out and the wiring seemed easier all of a sudden.
If I can help any of you I will with pleasure,check out Rob Lane's website as he has helped me a lot with advice,also eddy mcclements has just started wiring his 4 age up in his ST.
DEAN>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Findlay234 - If you go to Beeston its not far from where I live - Chilwell - we'll have to arrange someting.

U2U me.....

No I haven't got my engine yet. There is a Japanese car breaker yard close to me who had several. They wanted 200 quid with most of the accesories.

What I have discovered:
The best 4age sold in this country was fitted to 91-92 1.6 GTi Corollas. These are 3rd generation engines, without TVIS, which produce something like 130bhp.

The Toyota Corolla (Sept '87 to '92) Haynes manual covers this car and engine, and also the
second generation engine.

I believe there is no real advantage to getting one of the RWD engines, as I will be getting a type 9 bell housing from RAW.

The 20V is a very simple swap for the 16V, I believe just the exhaust manifold needs a slight modification. I plan to get a 20V from Japan (they were not sold in this country) as an upgrade when I have some more money (apx 150bhp).

Raw recommened a 8mm fuel line, and sell a stainless steel exhaust manifold which should be suitable for most LSIS type cars.

Apparently unless you are using the 20V, or new cams, the power drops of at around 7000 rpm, so the 8000rpm figure isn't much use without messing with the earlier engines.

Useful links:
http://www.users.bigpond.com/vidore/toyota_4age_engine.htm
http://www.billzilla.org/4agstock.htm
http://www.rawengineering.co.uk/
http://www.rawengineering.co.uk/
http://www.4age.net/
http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/phil.bradshaw/Index.htm

Hope this helps someone a little.

pretty shocking amount of power from a small old engine really.

in standard form without oil leaks!!!!

Those poor crossflows must be getting worried!

I know whats going in my next project then!

Chris

There are so many vitrues to this engine. Light, high power for a 1.6, no need for a cat, revs like crazy(what you want in a seven imo)if the cam belt snaps it wont blow up, so many tuning possibilties, if properly maintained will last forever and if not will still last a very long time (you saw the toyota on top gear), should i go on........................

Rather than paying big money to RAW or anyone else, why dont more people consider fabricating their own bellhousing? The chances are you already have most of the parts required (toyota FWD bellhousing, T9 aluminium bellhousing, 190mm sierra clutch plate, toyota clutch housing).

I am currently in the process of doing this, if you can TIG weld or know someone who can then it is possible.

You need to purchase a spigot bearing, available either from RAW or through bearing sellers (bearing number available if required).

As the T9 bellhousing is deeper than the toyota one, it is possible to cut the flange (gearbox end) off the T9 bellhousing and weld it to the toyota bellhousing externally, to make the same depth as the original T9. The toyota bellhousing needs 'tidying up' to remove the material that is not required.

The main benefits of this are the low costs involved and the fact that you can use the Toyota starter, hydraulic clutch and clutch assembly.

Hopefully, i will soon have pictures to try and illustrate what i am rambling on about!

Cheers