norfolkluego
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| posted on 18/4/09 at 07:45 PM |
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Rear suspension/wheel/tyre problem
Hi,all.
Had the Velocity on a track for the first time today (at the RAF Marham Charity Track Day, big thanks to all the RAF personnel involved for a great
day in fantastic sunshine) Anyway all was well except we munched our way through a brand new Toyo on the rear offside with the rear wheel arch
fouling the shoulder of the tyre (it was basically an anticlockwise track with a couple of long, fast lefthanders which loaded up the offside wheels).
At the moment they are on 15 inch wheels with 195/50 tyres. After we noticed the damage to the tyre we managed to borrow a spare set of rears from
another (very kind) kit driver, these were 13 inch but still fouled in the same place but only very very slightly. As he was leaving about a hour
before the end of the day we took his wheels off and put our 15s back on, magically there was an extra 2 inches of clearance between arch and rim,
final blast out on track and the clearance had gone and the tyre was fouling again.
Any ideas why just jacking the car up would suddenly give this extra clearance and why did it disappear again, knackered shock perhaps and should we
look at the suspension or just change to smaller wheels (or both!)
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mookaloid
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| posted on 18/4/09 at 07:50 PM |
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a pic of where it is catching might help 
"That thing you're thinking - it wont be that."
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norfolkluego
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| posted on 18/4/09 at 08:05 PM |
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Not sure how well these show up
 
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rusty nuts
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| posted on 18/4/09 at 08:07 PM |
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Suspect the reason you had the extra clearance after refitting your 15" wheels was because you had jacked the car up to change the wheels ,
after changing them you let the car down and thats when you had the extra clearance? As soon as the wheels had turned a couple of rotations the
suspension would have settled reducing the clearance? Could be that the wheels are too wide ,wrong offset, the rear ride height too low or the rear
wing fitted too low? Noticed at last years Newark show the lineup of Luego's had the rear wings fitted differently. Would it be possible to
trim the arches to gain extra clearance?
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norfolkluego
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| posted on 18/4/09 at 08:20 PM |
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' wheels are too wide ,wrong offset, the rear ride height too low or the rear wing fitted too low'
I'm certainly worried we have the wrong size wheels (we didn't do the original build), most other seven type kits over there today seem to
run 13 inch wheels. Not sure which way to attack it, use smaller wheels or change the ride height, what I don't want to do is upset the
handling because that was fantastic (on the straights today we were murdered by the TVRs, Evos etc, through the twisty bits we were as quick as
anybody)
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norfolkluego
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| posted on 18/4/09 at 08:24 PM |
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and
 
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norfolkluego
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| posted on 18/4/09 at 08:51 PM |
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Thanks for the tip on the drum sizes, I'll have a measure up in the morning. When I had the tyres fitted yesterday I thought the looked a bit
buxom (same size as the ones I had taken off) the picture probably exaggerate it but they're really stretching the 'fully enclosed by
bodywork' definition.
Have to say the smaller tyres/wheels we borrowed seemed to handle everybit as good but on cheaper tyres which seemed to suggest that rolling radius
was right for the car, is there a magic formula for working this sort of stuff out?
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rusty nuts
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| posted on 18/4/09 at 08:58 PM |
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IIRC Luego did wide rear arches , it is possible to widen your existing arches.
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norfolkluego
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| posted on 18/4/09 at 09:14 PM |
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'widen the wheel arches'
Sounds fiendishly simple (and cheap)
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mark chandler
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| posted on 18/4/09 at 09:25 PM |
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Alternative is to limit the shock travel, simply spilt the shock and insert rubber bump stops on the shaft so the tyre can never quite rub.
This is a sound approach, on some race series where the spring rates are fixed differing rates of rubber are used as bump stops to control travel on
the edge.
If its dedion or fixed axle the axle may not be central so make an adjustable panard rod to bring in line.
Also I jack up the outside springs for the track.
Regards Mark
[Edited on 18/4/09 by mark chandler]
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norfolkluego
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| posted on 20/4/09 at 08:22 PM |
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Had a good think about this and the handling is so sweet at the moment I don't want to do anything that might upset it so looks like widening
the arches it is. Has anyone done it on on Velocity. Is is a simple as fabricate some sort of (arch shaped) spacer, unbolt arch, fit spacer, rebolt
arch? Or is it me being simple and it's more complicated than that.
[Edited on 20/4/09 by norfolkluego]
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bill132hotrod
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| posted on 22/4/09 at 06:09 PM |
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wheel arch
Hi there
Had similar problem with my Velocity rear arches did not cover the wheels, Remove arch , place on piece of marine ply draw around arch , mark up bolt
holes , cut out with jig saw cover with colour coded gaffa tape, refit to car with longer bolts and wing piping and hey prestow jobs a gooden, i used
10mm ply by the way but work out what thickness you need by putting a staight edge accross the wheel and measure the distance between the tyre and
arch and add a couple of mm.
hope this helps worked for me otherwise it would of failed SVA. and there still on there now.
Regards Bill.
PERSEVERANCE is the word of the week. Stick with it the results are SWEET.
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norfolkluego
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| posted on 23/4/09 at 06:53 PM |
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Thanks Bill, that's Saturday taken care of, I'll report back how we get on.
John
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norfolkluego
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| posted on 27/4/09 at 04:47 PM |
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Finally got the wheel arch off, it was had more bolts than the Forth Bridge and half of them were crossthreaded but we're now in the position to
make the spacer and refit the arch,, job done but....
It now seems there is another problem, the top of the damper is er... damp with something so I assume it's leaking, don't think the
'dampness has come from somewhere else so while the arches are off I may as well change them. Problem is I've never bought a damper in my
life, what size/type do I order (this car will spend most of it's life on a track/hillclimb course). Pic attached, cant tell what the existing
one is, the red lettering at the bottom starts ZEEME then disappears inside the damper.
 
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rusty nuts
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| posted on 27/4/09 at 08:16 PM |
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Probably Zeemaride , sold by GBS but I suspect the quality isn't brilliant. Might be worth fitting something better like AVO etc. You may be
able to get some at Stoneleigh?
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bill132hotrod
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| posted on 27/4/09 at 08:35 PM |
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Leaking shock
Hi John Luego supplied Proteck shocks with my kit . they will proberly be at stoneliegh, there service is good had a small problem with one of mine
and i took it with me to Newark show and he delt with there on the spot.
Maybe if you take a pattern with you there he could match up them for you.
If not why not try Gaz in Basildon, they will make what ever you want.
Regards Bill.
PERSEVERANCE is the word of the week. Stick with it the results are SWEET.
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paulf
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| posted on 27/4/09 at 09:54 PM |
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Thats a zeemeride as supplied by Robin hood.It is a mini shock fitted with a threaded sleeve for the spring.I made a pair for the rear of my car but
found them to be under damped and was always a bit wary of the fact that the bush tubes were rather flimsy.I changed them for Avos and it made a
massive difference, if intending to use the car for a lot of track work i would definitely change them for something decent, Protech would be my
choice nowadays.
Paul.
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norfolkluego
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| posted on 27/4/09 at 10:08 PM |
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At this risk of sounding like a total muppet, what spec do you need to supply/measure, length/diameter/ vehicle weight ?? etc. before I pick the phone
up. As I said I've never bought one in my life and I don't want to end up with something that fits a tractor.
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Steve Lovelock
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| posted on 28/4/09 at 04:32 AM |
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I fitted Gaz shocks to my Velocity and I am really impressed with them. From memory the rear springs were 180 rated but you could always ask Ben at
Luego. I do remember the salesperson at Gaz knowing exactly what I needed, they are standard sizes. They came with a printed test sheet showing the
perfiormance of each shock during its shake down test. Naturally I didn't understand it but it looked very impressive. Couldn't
recommend them enough. If you have Zeemeride shocks on the front then perhaps get a set of four, they will make a big difference to the drive and
handling of the car and you may find a good deal at Stonliegh for a set.
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