When ive cleared my bank loan i plan on getting some kind of BEC,maybe mk indy or Mac 1.What in terms of powerfull road cars available today would make a good "AHEM" race.
IE. early blade is a fast as ...?
R1 can be compered to...?
ZX 10 etc etc...
I know 0-60 times have been posted on here before but thats all well and good on a strip not the twistys.I know theres a load of variables so maybe stick to the 2 makes above coz i think those would be in my budjet circa 8-8.5k.
Cheers Danny
PS anyone in Durham area can show me around their car so i know exactly what im looking at.Maybe in the summer months.

I've got a carbed blade - and its as fast as.



Nah seriously the differences between a blade to an r1 are negligible, I;ve done some time in both and the seat of my pants couldn;t feel any difference.

Never been in a zx10r, busa etc so can't comment on them - but it will be 10th of a second I'd guess as you move from one engine to the next.

I'm not convinced the extra price tag is worth it to be honest, which is why I'm more than happy with the car I have.

In the corners its got less to do with the engine and more to do with the driver and the setup.

Dought its a fast as mine i have a propper engine and propper tyres now

with my old engine, vaux red top on carbs in my viento i had a race with an e46 M3 and i won (just) all 3 races we had and that was with about 170bhp and 600-650kg running through a type 9 with a 3.92 diff ratio and skinny 205 normal tyres

Danny, my mate has a Mac Worx ZX10R turbo, 300-350bhp which will be on the road round about about May time if you'd like a run out in that he wouldn't mind.

MMM interestin.
Ok then put it this way if a guy in a mitzi evo 340 wanted a sport what would i need to embarras him.I want scary.I used to have a scooby WRX with 260 brake and got used to the power so i really want QUICK.Are these cars really scary quick.
B120WNY cheers mate that would be something to look forward to if you can pm me with a contact name and no. i'll get in touch nearer the time.


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never been in one but given it'll be at least 300bhp/tonne, sequential box, doing 10,000 rpm exiting through an exhaust near your ears and you'll only be a few inches off the ground, what on earth does real world fast mean anyway

Surely it'll feel like you're doing a million miles an hour anyway !!!

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never been in one but given it'll be at least 300bhp/tonne, sequential box, doing 10,000 rpm exiting through an exhaust near your ears and you'll only be a few inches off the ground, what on earth does real world fast mean anyway

Surely it'll feel like you're doing a million miles an hour anyway !!!

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well i have an mk with the 919 blade engine and it fast but also i been in a zx10r powered mk and that was a lot faster i had the chance to buy the said zx10r indy and now wished i did but never mind i will keep the 1 i got for next 1/2 years then upgrade then but i now the zx10r indy is still for sale and it an 2006 plate one as well

i would get a shot in one!

I have converted a builder into bec's

so happens that i am selling my indy bec, price reduction about to happen !

not sure where you are, but without wanting to sound like i am bragging i have build pics i can send...

pistonheads linky....

Mk Indy

any questions or would like to see more send me a u2u..

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on the road your never going to use them to full potential, so i dont think you would notice a massive difference,

track would be difference on long straight etc....

When I was taken for a ride in the Mac#1 ZX10R I was taken round the same lanes as I had just been blasting round in my 350bhp Audi S4.

There was absolutely no comparison, at all. The S4 was hugely capable on rough lanes (massive grip, huge torque) but the Mac#1 made it feel like a bus. the only thing I have been in that even came near the Mac#1 for speed was a Porsche 993 GT2 Lightweight problem is they're about £200,000

Next day I applied to voluntarily terminate the finance on the S4 and started looking for a BEC project.

I think the time to buy isn't going to be until next summer realistically.I just cant get enough of looking in the classifieds and you tube vids.Just getting as much info as possible coz the last thing i want to do is buy something that feels fast at first then get used to it.Even though my racing days are long gone being married with kid its nice to have the element of surprise up your sleave.


doctor derek thats what i want to hear maybe putting a turbo on too would make the bec untouchable GOD i can't wait.Only one problem the wife wants another baby in return is that a good deal???

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Whatever you buy your 'going to get used to it' .... (a bit like your girlfiend/wife/other half!) thats the problem

As Mr G said, whatever you buy, you will get used to it.... No matter how stupidly fast it is, you will always want faster, especially if your that type of person

MK 1400zzr 190bhp fast...
But yer still want more, if i had the dosh i'd turbo it.
I'm in Hartlepool if you want a ride...but when it gets warmer!
I had 893 blade in it before the 'kwak, pedestrian compared to zzr.
Before that i had another MK with XE red top, plenty torque, performance similar to blade,
but it was slow compared to zzr.

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MK 1400zzr 190bhp fast...
But yer still want more, if i had the dosh i'd turbo it.
I'm in Hartlepool if you want a ride...but when it gets warmer!
I had 893 blade in it before the 'kwak, pedestrian compared to zzr.
Before that i had another MK with XE red top, plenty torque, performance similar to blade,
but it was slow compared to zzr.

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i went out with a mate last year and we found are selves an audi R8.

i think he felt like he had spent more than he needed too

blackbird roadster 330bhp/ton and two BIG lads

tilly

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i went out with a mate last year and we found are selves an audi R8.

i think he felt like he had spent more than he needed too

blackbird roadster 330bhp/ton and two BIG lads

tilly

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I was on a trackday at Teesside Autodrome a couple of years ago and there were couple of oriental lads who turned up
in new top notch Subaru Imprezza, they spent a couple of laps trying to keep up with me (loads of drifting and smoking tyres!) They followed me into pits, came to have look at car and "How big is your engine?" 1.4 i says, "1.4?? you joke with us no?"...
They jumped in their Imprezza and buggered off home....
Didnt come back haha

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I was on a trackday at Teesside Autodrome a couple of years ago and there were couple of oriental lads who turned up
in new top notch Subaru Imprezza, they spent a couple of laps trying to keep up with me (loads of drifting and smoking tyres!) They followed me into pits, came to have look at car and "How big is your engine?" 1.4 i says, "1.4?? you joke with us no?"...
They jumped in their Imprezza and buggered off home....
Didnt come back haha

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Originally posted by skippad
I was on a trackday at Teesside Autodrome a couple of years ago and there were couple of oriental lads who turned up
in new top notch Subaru Imprezza, they spent a couple of laps trying to keep up with me (loads of drifting and smoking tyres!) They followed me into pits, came to have look at car and "How big is your engine?" 1.4 i says, "1.4?? you joke with us no?"...
They jumped in their Imprezza and buggered off home....
Didnt come back haha

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Alot of track performance is down to the driver though, last year I ended up on a Caterham/Westfield track day at Castle Combe in a BMW E30 325 Estate, I spent the entire day trying to get past the bloody things as they pottered around seemingly scared shitless of their own cars.

I know that if they were pushing I would have been the slowest on track but its about confidence in your car and ability.

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Not that I am anything approaching an authority on such matters. But my target BEC would be:

450 kilos or less (but not less than 400)
200bhp (but not much more)

I believe this would give the best handling/driving/accelerating properties...

(and this is coming from someone building a 550bhp car weighing in the region of 425 kilos) - it will be Undriveable...


At 450 ish kilos, it will be pretty stable on the road, if you end up to close to 400 kilos in a car, you will start to suffer to much from the average road conditions, and being sent across an entire carriage-way just to a little imperfection when your foot is buried is not fun for your arse...

And similarly, if you can't plant your foot in the dry and avoid wheelspin in the first three gears then it's wasted power...

So that's my theory, take it or leave it!

Obviously, if you are below these figures then you then have to bear a budget in mind - ie making your car light takes relatively little money, making your car Properly light costs a fair bit...

Having 130bhp in a Blade engine can cost as little as £400, having 140bhp (and a slightly less strong gearbox) in an R1 can cost £600 plus...
I know where my money would be going at that end of the scale...

ATB
Steve

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Having 130bhp in a Blade engine can cost as little as £400, having 140bhp (and a slightly less strong gearbox) in an R1 can cost £600 plus...
I know where my money would be going at that end of the scale...

ATB
Steve

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you pays your money you takes your choice, forget engine power & listen to colin chapman of lotus fame, lightness is everything to performance, handling, braking etc, my little blade may only have 130bhp but im nearly down to less than 400kg, 0-60 in 4 secs keeps a smile on my face, why do you need more besides the biggest weight in any BEC is you, get down that gym i say

At the end of the day the car i'm going to buy will already be built and then i can take it away and tweak it to my liking.Making it lighter wont cost me anything apart from my time as i work as a cnc programmer so i could knock up a few bits and bobs from alluminium or even titanium if im feeling flush.So we are looking at decent blade 919 to maybe r1 circa 450 kilos.THEN its just a case of me shedding a few pounds and honing my limited driving skills into a decent rear drive master.

I love threads like this, they never tell the true picture

I could show you some video's of becs being hounded on trackdays by road going cars weighing around a ton and with 160-180bhp, so does that mean a tin top like that is faster, must do!

People always claim they raced a porsche or a ferrari or an R8 etc and won, well the other guy either wasn't trying or can't drive, remember he's got around or over 100k tied up in his car, you've probably got a 10th of that, or that the road and conditions favoured your car, while on a different road or conditions he would have won!

Most blade/R1 becs i've seen (this is with my own blinkers) achieve 0-100 in around 11-14 seconds, most will 1/4 mile in 13 seconds some over 14, a few of the more powerful ones under 13.

The only advantage a bec has over a heavier car is under braking and through the corners, but if the roads bumpy, i'd rather be sat in an evo or sti, than lightweight bec.

I don't want to put you off a bec or a seven for that matter, but the sensation of speed comes from the experience rather than the actual performance. If you want to be the quickest on a tight and twisty road go for it, but if your likely to be racing your mates on dual carriageways then you may regret it.

At road legal speeds a bec is quite a formidable machine.


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Good reply. If you want to fart around risking life and limb and others way over the limit, dont bother with a BEC, or a seven really. If however you love blasting country lanes, the sound of the engine (BEC OR CEC) and like the wind in your hair, then a kit is the way forward.

On Pistonheads runs, myself and the other few kits that come to play get dropped on the long a roads by the big boys, but can keep up with most stuff before that - and you know what? They always want to come out for a go in ours even if they own a lambo

^^^^^^ another good reply.

i have always found that driving, riding in 7 style car feels fast even if it isnt

with a 7 style car you get unique looks, good power to weight ratio, wind in your hair motoring and FUN

if you want a car just for hooning around a track i found that a modified hot hatch will perform just as well as your average 7

i had a peugeot 205 with an MI16 egine on twin webers.
fully stripped out with a roll cage and slicks

this thing would out perform all but the fully track prepped caterhams / race cars.

very sure footed and you can drive them like a hooligan without being spat off the race track

I'm more like the blast round the country roads type of guy to be honest as i said my sporting around from roundabout to roundabout on dual carridgeways or traffic light grandprix is well gone.The post was only to give me an idea in my head of how quick these cars are because i've read so many contrasting views on their performance.If there was a CEC out their with the same capabilities i would consider buying either.A couple of thousand RPM at the top end isn't the be all and end all of the experience i am looking for.I want to enjoy this type of car for a long time and not get bored so my final choice must be the right one.At the end of the day this to me is a luxury not a neccesity(thats what i'll tell the wife when i hit my mid life crisis)!!!

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I'm more like the blast round the country roads type of guy to be honest as i said my sporting around from roundabout to roundabout on dual carridgeways or traffic light grandprix is well gone.The post was only to give me an idea in my head of how quick these cars are because i've read so many contrasting views on their performance.If there was a CEC out their with the same capabilities i would consider buying either.A couple of thousand RPM at the top end isn't the be all and end all of the experience i am looking for.I want to enjoy this type of car for a long time and not get bored so my final choice must be the right one.At the end of the day this to me is a luxury not a neccesity(thats what i'll tell the wife when i hit my mid life crisis)!!!

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Whatever you buy your 'going to get used to it' .... (a bit like your girlfiend/wife/other half!) thats the problem

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I have to agree with chris

out on the southern runs a chap has an r300 sl (wont mention his name) i have seen him stomp over plenty of evo's and scoobies through the lanes and down dual carriage ways but there is very rarely enough room to even attempt getting into triple speedo figures. along with the fact that it draws the wrong kind of attention.

having been out on a couple of runs and to an airfield day with cloudy i can safely say his warner r4 is quicker than an r300 i think from memory that it was also faster than highcost's cosworth turbo powered beast. so there is potential to go silly fast with bike engines but the car needs to be around 350kg as demonstrated by cloudy or plus 250bhp with a car engine.

a 7 style car will never be lambo fast up the top end as it just doesn't have the aerodynamics but i would ask where can you use 200mph in reality? from what i have seen a well sorted seven is seriously quick up to 100ish and stable up to around 120-130ish after that the big boys are in a league of their own.

what I personally love about my seven is that it cost me 3k to build from scratch and for an afternoon i can go to a track day and get just as many thrills as any lambo, Ferrari ........ driver that has spent 100k on a car. yes i can do this i a hot hatch but it will never feel as raw or command the respect a sorted seven does.

on track i can usually keep up with much more expensive faster cars and can even intimidate some lesser drivers through the tight corners but totally accept they are going to blow me away on the straights only to be reeled back in on the next corner with later breaking. those are the facts and i accept them and still have fun.

this winter i have dropped a saab turbo lump in to the car im aiming for 200+ bhp so the gap will get closer but im not going to fool my self that i can beat the big boys but it will allow me to have a bit more of a play with them.

sevenesque kits are really really great but don't fool yourself into thinking they are super cars because, put quite simply they are not. hire a super car for a day at a track and you will see what i mean.

I don't usually get involved it these kinds of discussions (mostly because I usually don't feel terribly qualified to comment) but i've been sat on an airport for 5 hours and am bored out of my mind... I bought a Bike engined fury last year (I had a 2ltr Lancia engined seven before) and it still scares the c**p out of me like nothing I've ever driven before. Fantastic!!! As for getting used to it, I'm a fair way off that. I'm sure that mediocre drivers (that's definitely me and in truth probably most of us) could lap quicker in an Evo / impretza with all its traction control etc but there's its unlikely that they'd be having anything like as much fun. I had the pleasure of driving a friends 360 spider last year, truly impressive but in terms of generating adrenalin, absolutely no comparison. My advice would be to forget about beating your mates to the next roundabout and have some fun. Come on in the water is lovely / shark infested

I'm also in the strictly average driver standards club but like to think i could improve by driving a bec on a regular basis.I think i'm underestimating how quick these cars can be a to b over short distances.There are pleny of roads around where i live to enjoy the rush without breaking the speed limit.At the end of the day i've got my family to think about.So... in my head BEC 1 CEC 0.Unless i can find a cosworth powered 7 for around 8 grand which is doubtfull.I wish my bank loan was finished ARRRHHHH!!!

I built a blackbird turbo indy and it is still the fastest car I have ever driven, 320 bhp at the wheels. topped out at 156mph on the rev limiter. I have owned an Ultima GTR and this was ok but had nothing on the bec. The Indy was alot quicker than an caterham R500.

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I built a blackbird turbo indy and it is still the fastest car I have ever driven, 320 bhp at the wheels. topped out at 156mph on the rev limiter. I have owned an Ultima GTR and this was ok but had nothing on the bec. The Indy was alot quicker than an caterham R500.

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I now have a megablade but i had a megabusa, the downgrade was to join a racing championship here in ireland..

In the blade its so much fun, but its really a ball of noise... but its fun to fleece around the track in and engines are cheap for them.

The busa was a different animal, it could sit along with my friends 600hp GT4 from 40-100 but even then it was getting nailled over the tonne..

Depends what your after really, i like my little blade it prob. plenty fast for the road, but i am going to have to build something or buy something again soon which will properly scare me.. its looking like a zzr1400 crammed into a westie

hi mate - i have something here that may scare ya !! you're welcome in the left seat !!

Cant wait

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hi mate - i have something here that may scare ya !! you're welcome in the left seat !!

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He's gone and got himself an s2000 engined machine on throttle bodies with a 6speed sequential box all fitted into a westie chassis...meant to be a right little monster!!

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He's gone and got himself an s2000 engined machine on throttle bodies with a 6speed sequential box all fitted into a westie chassis...meant to be a right little monster!!

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Dont forget, that the '7' types arent the only kit cars around.

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He's gone and got himself an s2000 engined machine on throttle bodies with a 6speed sequential box all fitted into a westie chassis...meant to be a right little monster!!

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Dont forget, that the '7' types arent the only kit cars around.

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