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How does anyone ever come away with a brand new number plate?
andrew-theasby - 30/5/11 at 02:59 PM

Hi, just wondering how kit cars ever get a brand new number plate rather than the donor age number or a Q? As far as i understand it you can only have one not new part, presumably the engine usually? So where do they get new diffs, brakes, gearboxes, uprights etc from? Or is it just down to how you fill the forms in? Surely the inspector can see running gear that isnt new? Thanks

David_17 - 30/5/11 at 03:13 PM

Things like suspension can obviously be new parts, I believe you can get away with a reconditioned engine and gearbox if you have proof.

Then "axles" can be classed as your wishbones, which are new, transmition can be a new propshaft etc.

Neville Jones - 30/5/11 at 03:17 PM

I think a lot of white lies get told, and DVLA overlook them as long as you pay your New Vehicle Duty(or tax or whatever it's called these days. Used to be 20% of cost.) Buy the whole lot from someone who gives you a receipt that says the gear is sold 'as new', and you're away. That's how it used to be done! ( not that I've ever been involved in that sort of thing, you understand )

Most of the Sierra running gear was available from Ford Power Products, who supplied people like Caterham and Ginetta. It's been a while since I had the need, but I'll be looking them up soon.

Cheers,
Nev.

andrew-theasby - 30/5/11 at 03:49 PM

quote:
Originally posted by David_17
Then "axles" can be classed as your wishbones, which are new, transmition can be a new propshaft etc.


So do you only have to have receipts for specific parts that are new? I have new prop, wishbones etc and rest of bits ive refurbed like new but obviously arent, is it worth trying? Whats this new vehicle tax? Will it cost a lot more to try for a new number than a Q then?

eddbaz - 30/5/11 at 04:06 PM

First I've heard of this 20% new vehicle tax, only one part can be reconditioned as new and engine and gearbox count as two, I think as said earlier a bit of creative accounting is required as far as the receipts are conserned. Many people have done it, but if the dvla won't accept it you will be given a Q plate and can't apply for an age related plate in retrospect.

andrew-theasby - 30/5/11 at 04:37 PM

I wont be getting an age related plate anyway as i dont have a donor V5, but i need to get a pre cat emmisions test due to my engine age (89), would this be impossible with a new reg?

brookie - 30/5/11 at 04:49 PM

n0 dont think so m8 think it will go on a q plate

adithorp - 30/5/11 at 05:14 PM

quote:
Originally posted by andrew-theasby
I wont be getting an age related plate anyway as i dont have a donor V5, but i need to get a pre cat emmisions test due to my engine age (89), would this be impossible with a new reg?


To get a new plate you have to have all new major components, except one which must be "reconditioned as new". Major components on the list are Engine, Transmission, Axles, Suspention, Steering as far as I remember. Don't think diff is specifically mentioned. With a BEC you can argue that the engine/box are one component.

In your case you could apply for new plate but you'll need reciepts for all your bits and proof that the engine is reconned' as new. Worst case they don't except it and you get a Q. It's a different reg' application form. V55/5 rather than V55/4 (from memory)

andrew-theasby - 30/5/11 at 05:30 PM

oh well, never mind then, was just thinking to the future would be nice to have had a new reg but not bothered about a Q anyway. Thanks for the replies

Krismc - 1/6/11 at 06:10 AM

Dont think a lot of us if any should have a new plate, but as you say creative accounting!

They dont state what ''reconditioned'' is, They dont care if ''Reconditioned'' is from the user, the manufacturer or else where, as long as you got a receipt, reconditioned then turns out to be new, and they accept bike engines as new parts-and give a new plate - ive seen some cars that should nearly have a new plate and a few that definatly shouldnt, depends how good you are at filling in forms.

i got a new one, as all my parts where ''new''

loggyboy - 1/6/11 at 08:26 AM

Caterham have been getting away with it for years, shafts, diff, gbox are all recon on them and they are 'production cars'

loggyboy - 1/6/11 at 08:29 AM

quote:
Originally posted by andrew-theasby
I wont be getting an age related plate anyway as i dont have a donor V5, but i need to get a pre cat emmisions test due to my engine age (89), would this be impossible with a new reg?


Why dont you 'use' a donor? (And when I saw use, I obviously dont mean buy a cheap sierra and 'pretend' to use it as yor donor - honest )

[Edited on 1/6/11 by loggyboy]

andrew-theasby - 2/6/11 at 05:31 PM

cause i dont have one common donor vehicle, vx engine, sierra diff, box and collumn, escort rack, cortina uprights, rx7 brakes...

ashg - 7/6/11 at 02:45 PM

dont see the point of a new plate. after 6months its not new any more. Q is timeless. mine is age related as i used a whole sierra at the time (there is hardly a sierra bit left on it now other than front hubs and diff). if your that much of a tart about number plates get a personal one (although you cant if its a Q) . at the end of the day it wont make a blind bit of difference when you chuck it down a lane at 60mph

[Edited on 7/6/2011 by ashg]