Amazing reading about this, I wonder where it will stop looks like the UK is even investigating with views of charging back tax benefits. I’m just
wondering if I should sell the family Cmax and get a petrol car in case the value of diesels falls or road tax goes up. Not to mention all the hassle
we’ve had with this car and it’s stupid engine faults. So glad I didn't fit a diesel to the landrover like everyone else rush off to do 
next
they all be going back to petrol!
I wonder if this will this be the death of the diesel car after all the revelations about the harmful particulates etc even before this scandal? I
mean they’re already banned in some area’s and that can only get worse now…
[Edited on 29/9/15 by Mr Whippy]
i dont see it affecting the diesels as a whole just the vag group.
your Ford will be fine im sure.
Doubt there will be many cars sold world wide that arn't affected, Most if not all OEM ecu's are equipt with defeat strategys and have been
since the begining its just who has made use of them. But then the emissions tests required were always going to lead to this. That said the US are
making a big thing about it being a non Us company thats cheating but their home companies do it too
so it wouldn't have anything to do with VW
having a 22% share of the US car market would it?
If VW have cheated then so will most of the rest of the makers!
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Originally posted by nick205
If VW have cheated then so will most of the rest of the makers!
Cannot see them jumping up car tax classes on sold cars, would be concerned if I was awaiting delivery of a new car.
The government will just fine them for the difference in tax, hopefully my a multiple as a disincentive to do it again.
ATB
Simon
Diesels are still the best for towing.
there isn't a petrol car that will tow my caravan, or a car trailer easily, without being in the 20-25 mpg, at best
my Tdci Mondeo, still averages 43 + towing, and normally averages 45 +
I love my V70 D5 Volvo, it's fast, quiet and does 45mpg, let's hope they do not screw us on fuel or everything goes up!
We all know emissions test are a con and they've all been cheating but how this effects other companies will depend on how they were doing it.
As I understand it most get around the test by having dips in the mapping at the points it sits on the test cycle and VW was going a step further and
the test was run with a completely different map (Where the others are using the test set map on the road and driving outside of the dips). The News
suggested that in America the claimed VW emissions were significantly better than other US diesels (And said those companies may be able to sue VW for
competing unfairly).
I believe that when the tax system changes in 2017 diesel will be less attractive and the balance will move more towards petrol again.
I seem to remember there were some articles last year about manufacturers where the real life figures were a lot worse than the official ones for emissions, but I think it was vauxhal, kia and volvo that were named as the worst, so I expect they'll be named next.
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Originally posted by hughpinder
I seem to remember there were some articles last year about manufacturers where the real life figures were a lot worse than the official ones for emissions, but I think it was vauxhal, kia and volvo that were named as the worst, so I expect they'll be named next.
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Originally posted by mark chandler
I love my V70 D5 Volvo, it's fast, quiet and does 45mpg, let's hope they do not screw us on fuel or everything goes up!
The problem is just too many diesel on the road in the UK and the rest of Europe most used for purposes that diesels aren't best suited for. In contrast in the USA they use huge petrol engines for purposes that would be better served by diesel.
Lets wait for the phone calls :- "have you been mis-sold a VW"
http://www.leighday.co.uk/Illness-and-injury/Defective-products-and-consumer-goods-Defective-pr/Faulty-consumer-products-and-consume
r-law-claims/Volkswagen-recall
Now VAG have owned up to all the Skodas and Seats that have had the dodgy software...
At least my Lambo and the Veyron isn't effected 
Fancy cheating on a government type approvals test. That would be like passing an IVA then changing half the stuff on the car 
So, imagine you have an affected car and you get a recall notice saying you need to bring your car in. It'll get new softwear with the
"cheat" bit of program perminently incorporated into the map so it runs cleaner all the time and not just when it thinks it's on a
rolling road... but it'll probably not have as good power, responce and possibly fuel ecomomy.
Will you take it in?... or will you live with a bit of code in there that never does anything?
I think that there will be a class action where a large number of people take VW to court because their mpg is nowhere near what was advertised, after the update...
Take VW to court...?
I'd love to see anyone really try that
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Originally posted by David Jenkins
I think that there will be a class action where a large number of people take VW to court because their mpg is nowhere near what was advertised, after the update...
Let's be honest 0-60 and top speeds are largely poppycock for tintops anyway. GPS top speed of my old Seat Leon was not what they said it was. It was fast, but no way as fast as Seat would like you to think! The MPG was not up to their standards either when it really came to it.
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And if I owned one of the affected cars, I wouldn't be taking it anywhere near a dealer!!
how many people are running the same map they had for the sva or iva test? after it left the test centre?
not many but its still naughty of them to do this,
im sure more will be found going forward
It's not naughty - there's no regulation on tuning of your own car providing it meets current MOT req.
I swapped my ECU out for a programmable one and remapped it myself, it still meets the MOT regs. Might not meet the original spec but that's
totally irrelevant and I have an extra 100HP.
sorry it was meant to have a smiley face its a tongue in cheek naughty
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Originally posted by coyoteboy
It's not naughty - there's no regulation on tuning of your own car providing it meets current MOT req.
I swapped my ECU out for a programmable one and remapped it myself, it still meets the MOT regs. Might not meet the original spec but that's totally irrelevant and I have an extra 100HP.
I reckon this will be the new ppi scandal.
Just as 'we' lean off the fuel on the bike engines, to the point where the engine will just about run, fit additional catalysts, or just put
back the one that we should have.... all for an MoT test.
Motorcycle manufacturers map their engines just for the 5-6K drive-by quietness, some fitting flaps in various places. It's all to meet
regulations that shouldn't be there in the first place. The laboratory isn't real-life.
I expect all the diesel propaganda will 'justify' more environment levies on diesel vehicles. Hell, these cars are killing people, car
manufacturers are committing murder, where's my compensation, I want it, and more, now.
I'm too poor to run a modern diesel, I still in the MK5 2.5Di Transit era. I can't afford a modern, pollution free Range Rover Sport, so I
guess I'll simply be banned.
I'm just hoping that prices will come crashing down and I'll swoop in and buy one for a bargain.
My Passat is Pre-Scandal, so it's going up in price.
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Arguably any changes to a type approval means the car fails construction and use regulations. Fortunately it's too hard/timewasting for any one to inforce for 99.9999% of modifications.