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brookie - 25/6/10 at 04:33 PM

what bhp can u get out of the 2l pinto and 2l zetec engines with out spending to much money


omega0684 - 25/6/10 at 04:34 PM

and how long is your piece of string?

Bit more info mate might help us help you!

whats your budget etc?


will121 - 25/6/10 at 04:39 PM

150bhp ish from a £100 2 litre zetec £100 of bike carbs and £150 of megajolt, depending if you doing an upgrade and dont need to worry about emmisions, 165bhp+ with above plus Diy ported head and £300 of cams

[Edited on 25/6/10 by will121]


snapper - 25/6/10 at 04:45 PM

Cheapest mods for a Pinto is to start with a later injection engine, this has a better head and rods, you will need carbs and a 4 branch exhaust, use a Felpro
1 mm gasket and try a 285 cam.
130+ honest bhp
Zetec usually gives 145 bhp but if you can find a cheap one the ST 170 engine is very good.
To get 170 out of a Pinto will cost thousands or will break


iank - 25/6/10 at 05:02 PM

quote:
Originally posted by snapper
To get 170 out of a Pinto will cost thousands or will break


More likely both

I'd plump for 150bhp Zetec, 120bhp Pinto without doing much more than fitting them.

Personally I'd also consider XE (article in this months PPC) or Duratec both of which would get you 200bhp with similar costs on the engine, but an additional £300 putting them onto a type 9 gearbox. Duratec has the advantage of weighing 2/3 of the others.

Finally the K series on a type 9 or an MX5 engine and gearbox can make cheap and sweet fitments for a 7.


mcerd1 - 25/6/10 at 05:21 PM

quote:
Originally posted by iank
quote:
Originally posted by snapper
To get 170 out of a Pinto will cost thousands or will break


More likely both

not if you do it my way - spend even more on a steel bottom end


but seriously what about scootz's MX5 engine ? linky


jacko - 25/6/10 at 05:48 PM

If you get 140bhp at the Back wheels what is the flywheel bhp?


flak monkey - 25/6/10 at 06:15 PM

Add 17-20% to the wheel figs. So about 160bhp.

150 bhp from a pinto is pretty easy with a set of carbs and a cam and nothing much else.

You'll get 150bhp from a 2 litre zetec with the right cams and prorammable engine management.


brookie - 25/6/10 at 06:42 PM

what would this b kicking out them i had my eye on this over the last 2/3 days
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180522329492


brookie - 25/6/10 at 06:46 PM

and this one i no i being a pain the ass but im new to this kit cars http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1809531.htm

[Edited on 25/6/10 by brookie]


mcerd1 - 25/6/10 at 08:17 PM

I'd guess the 2.1 pinto should be making 150+ at the flywheel
(the extra 100cc adds a bit torque too)

its hard to say from that description - pinto's make most of the power in the head work, it says ported, but not eactly whats been done
and of course that all assumes that its been put together right.....

pintos arn't the highest performing, but they can still be quick and very simple to work on


RichieHall - 25/6/10 at 08:27 PM

I might be worth remembering that a well sorted suspension and clever choice of tyres will give significant better performance increases than chucking more horses in!


spiderman01980 - 25/6/10 at 08:52 PM

i would say just buy a puma zetec s 1.7i engine they have 123hp i think its about 150hp at the flywheel they, i bought a 97 puma at the weekend and they are pretty quick, not as fast as my old WRX but for a 1.7i its not bad!


b16mts - 25/6/10 at 09:27 PM

I've got 120bhp at the wheels (the only place it matters) from my pinto with a FR33 cam (cost £83 including the recently refurbed head and adjustable vernier), and bike carbs (circa £150 including manifold). plus about £150 on the rolling road!!

wish it was a little lighter, but there again i could do with loosing 4 stone myself!

Martin


brookie - 26/6/10 at 09:02 AM

i think the xe should be running around 160/170


graememk - 28/6/10 at 08:09 AM

love the figures, now how many really know what bhp they have, i estimate my indy to be 450bshp in reality 160bhp maybe if i'm lucky?


graememk - 28/6/10 at 08:14 AM

quote:
Originally posted by flak monkey

150 bhp from a pinto is pretty easy with a set of carbs and a cam and nothing much else.

You'll get 150bhp from a 2 litre zetec with the right cams and prorammable engine management.


so are we suggesting a pinto is more powerfull than a zetec ??


flak monkey - 28/6/10 at 08:29 AM

quote:
Originally posted by graememk
quote:
Originally posted by flak monkey

150 bhp from a pinto is pretty easy with a set of carbs and a cam and nothing much else.

You'll get 150bhp from a 2 litre zetec with the right cams and prorammable engine management.


so are we suggesting a pinto is more powerfull than a zetec ??


No, it would cost around the same for 150bhp from either the pinto or the zetec initially. But it would be cheaper to get more power from the Zetec after that point.


iank - 28/6/10 at 09:25 AM

quote:
Originally posted by flak monkey
quote:
Originally posted by graememk
quote:
Originally posted by flak monkey

150 bhp from a pinto is pretty easy with a set of carbs and a cam and nothing much else.

You'll get 150bhp from a 2 litre zetec with the right cams and prorammable engine management.


so are we suggesting a pinto is more powerfull than a zetec ??


No, it would cost around the same for 150bhp from either the pinto or the zetec initially. But it would be cheaper to get more power from the Zetec after that point.


Zetec on injection will also be much better to drive than a carbed pinto for the same peak bhp (a measure more suited to the pub than reality when it comes to road manners and overall performance).

Plus fuel consumption will be poor on a carb compared with injection.