daniel mason
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| posted on 10/12/11 at 10:58 AM |
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2014 F1 engines. 1.6 v6 turbo
What sort of power are these units expected to make for the 2014 season. And what will they sound like compared to the current 2.4 liter v8
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MikeR
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| posted on 10/12/11 at 11:01 AM |
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Are they rev limited like the current engines? If not i'd expect an even higher pitched scream as i'd guess they'd go really short
stroke but quieter (due to the turbo).
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designer
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| posted on 10/12/11 at 11:09 AM |
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They will certainly NOt sound like the best F1 sound ever - Ferrari 3ltr V12.
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zilspeed
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| posted on 10/12/11 at 11:16 AM |
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They're tubocharged, therefore muted.
They have less cylinders, therefore lower pitched engine note.
They have a lower rev limit, see above.
It doesn't bode well.
The days of 20,000 rpm V8s and V10s are gone forever.
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mrwibble
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| posted on 10/12/11 at 11:22 AM |
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well in 1988
(from wikipedia
"1988 Honda with its RA168E turbo V6 producing 685 hp (511 kW) at 12500 rpm" which was 1.5l?
I think i read 800bhp was the aim (don't know if that was with kers) but i can't find the article on the bbc now. no idea what the rev
limit will be.
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balidey
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| posted on 10/12/11 at 11:38 AM |
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V16 BRM, 1.5 litre supercharged produced around 600hp. That was in the mid 50's.
Now THAT engine note was something.
You've never lived until you've heard the BRM V16 go past at speed.
Lets hope we're heading that was again.
Dutch bears have terrible skin due to their clogged paws
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zilspeed
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| posted on 10/12/11 at 11:41 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mrwibble
well in 1988
(from wikipedia
"1988 Honda with its RA168E turbo V6 producing 685 hp (511 kW) at 12500 rpm" which was 1.5l?
I think i read 800bhp was the aim (don't know if that was with kers) but i can't find the article on the bbc now. no idea what the rev
limit will be.
Listen to the honda compared to a current engine though.
Blehhh....
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mrwibble
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| posted on 10/12/11 at 12:21 PM |
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well the move to v6 turbos with small capacity isn't to please the ears of spectators its to encourage more money from eco-conscious sponsors
and manufacturers - there is talk of VW producing engines. TBH the only thing i really care about is close racing, the soundtrack is not really an
issue.
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40inches
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| posted on 10/12/11 at 12:38 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by balidey
V16 BRM, 1.5 litre supercharged produced around 600hp. That was in the mid 50's.
Now THAT engine note was something.
You've never lived until you've heard the BRM V16 go past at speed.
Lets hope we're heading that was again.
Still makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand up You Tube
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 10/12/11 at 12:45 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mrwibble
well the move to v6 turbos with small capacity isn't to please the ears of spectators its to encourage more money from eco-conscious sponsors
and manufacturers - there is talk of VW producing engines. TBH the only thing i really care about is close racing, the soundtrack is not really an
issue.
For me (and I suspect a majority of F1 fans) the sound of F1 cars is an essential part of it's appeal.
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mrwibble
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| posted on 10/12/11 at 01:00 PM |
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for the majority of fans who watch it on tele, and can't really hear the cars properly anyway?
if it was a real spectator sport, and not just a once in a year occasion to actually be trackside (if your lucky), i might agree.
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zilspeed
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| posted on 10/12/11 at 02:13 PM |
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F1 cars must sound like nothing else on earth.
If they sound like lesser formulae, what's the point ?
As it is, Renault World Series cars will sound better.
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mrwibble
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| posted on 10/12/11 at 02:18 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by zilspeed
F1 cars must sound like nothing else on earth.
If they sound like lesser formulae, what's the point ?
As it is, Renault World Series cars will sound better.
what do you mean what is the point? the point is the fastest cars, with the most skilled drivers, its not a competition for blind people to judge
which one sounds best.
do you think the drivers care what it sounds like? no they just care what its like to drive and if it makes them competitive.
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Mr G
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| posted on 10/12/11 at 02:29 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by zilspeed
The days of 20,000 rpm V8s and V10s are gone forever.
People thought the same thing about the use of ground effect & turbo's
Normal is getting dressed in clothes that you buy for work and driving through traffic in a
car that you are still paying for - in order to get to the job you need to pay for the clothes
and the car, and the house you leave vacant all day so you can afford to live in it.
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zilspeed
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| posted on 10/12/11 at 02:39 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mrwibble
quote:
Originally posted by zilspeed
F1 cars must sound like nothing else on earth.
If they sound like lesser formulae, what's the point ?
As it is, Renault World Series cars will sound better.
what do you mean what is the point? the point is the fastest cars, with the most skilled drivers, its not a competition for blind people to judge
which one sounds best.
do you think the drivers care what it sounds like? no they just care what its like to drive and if it makes them competitive.
I bet the drivers do care what it sound like.
So do the teams.
That's why the rules were rejigged from 4 cylinder engines to V6s. To please the teams and the people that pay the bills.
Bernie cares too.
It's a sport which must thrill all of the senses. That includes the sound.
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mrwibble
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| posted on 10/12/11 at 03:02 PM |
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hmmm. thats a bit like saying the driver and the teams would want the car that looks the sharpest, when really they just want the car that wins, and
they wouldn't really care if it was a dog and sounded like duck farting.
To some extent i agree the thrill and atmosphere of being at the race is important, but i think close battling races and a close championship would
more likely please the crowd, and bernie as it would increase his audiences world wide.
I for one wouldn't be pleased for a race to be boring but sound great and nor would the X k people in the stands.
Not that 1.6 turbo engines have anything to do with close racing, but neither does sound for that matter.
+ we haven't even heard the cars yet... so lets wait and see?
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 10/12/11 at 03:44 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mrwibble
for the majority of fans who watch it on tele, and can't really hear the cars properly anyway?
if it was a real spectator sport, and not just a once in a year occasion to actually be trackside (if your lucky), i might agree.
Especialy when watching on a TV the engine sounds give much of the atmosphere that makes F1 races interesting. If you are going to have
droning 4 pots you might as well stick to watching something like Formula Ford which at least gives closer racing and more battles than the average F1
race these days.
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Dangle_kt
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| posted on 10/12/11 at 03:57 PM |
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electric will be the propulsion of choice in the next decade or so.
Pretty much silent, but I'm certain will outmatch an ICE engine soon.
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Nash
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| posted on 10/12/11 at 03:58 PM |
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Some sounds should be preserved
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CK0vIXwxO9c
................ Neil
It's What You Do Next That Counts.
Build It, Buy It, Drive It:
Southern Kit Car Club
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scudderfish
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| posted on 10/12/11 at 05:19 PM |
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Renault 1.5l V6 turbo of the 80's got towards 1200bhp
http://www.gurneyflap.com/renaultef15.html
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phelpsa
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| posted on 10/12/11 at 05:37 PM |
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As I understand it there is a rev limit of 15k and there will also be a boost limit. These will be adjusted in subsequent seasons to achieve
performance that the FIA deem suitable, but at the start we're looking at 750ish bhp plus 120kw (160bhp) of KERS from compound charging and
conventional recovery. We were reassured in a lecture last year by a Merc HPE design engineer that noise was going to be a 'serious
consideration'.
[Edited on 10-12-11 by phelpsa]
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MakeEverything
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| posted on 10/12/11 at 05:57 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by scudderfish
Renault 1.5l V6 turbo of the 80's got towards 1200bhp
http://www.gurneyflap.com/renaultef15.html
Simply beautiful.
Kindest Regards,
Richard.
...You can make it foolProof, but youll never make it Idiot Proof!...
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Johneturbo
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| posted on 10/12/11 at 06:08 PM |
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Like the majority have said the sound is very important, we went up to MK today for the redbull demo and the sound was the most impressive thing for
us, not seeing mark webber or vettel
having said that they didn't sound proper loud(like at goodwood festival) so wonder if they had muted them a little to be able to run on the
public roads!
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mrwibble
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| posted on 10/12/11 at 07:06 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by MikeRJ
quote:
Originally posted by mrwibble
for the majority of fans who watch it on tele, and can't really hear the cars properly anyway?
if it was a real spectator sport, and not just a once in a year occasion to actually be trackside (if your lucky), i might agree.
Especialy when watching on a TV the engine sounds give much of the atmosphere that makes F1 races interesting. If you are going to have
droning 4 pots you might as well stick to watching something like Formula Ford which at least gives closer racing and more battles than the average F1
race these days.
i don't think the noise from my tele gives me a tenth of the atmosphere of being at the track, but then again u might have a better set of
speakers than me. F1 apart from being one of the few motorsports available on what was terrestial tv, is the pinnacle of motorsport engineering where
the best drivers in the world compete and i want to see them a gnats arsehole from the edge. IMO f1 has become much more entertaining of late, and its
not the noise thats attracted people. BTW i like a nice noise like everyone else, i just don't think f1 is spoilt because v8+ engines
aren't currently in fashion.
oh and its amazing what engineers can do to an exhaust note if they want to, the days of organic beautiful sounds is well over methinks.
to end, i think we should thank ourselves lucky we haven't reached the end of the internal combustion engines, if ur upset by v6 turbos god
knows what you lot will do then...
[Edited on 10/12/11 by mrwibble]
[Edited on 10/12/11 by mrwibble]
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