Matt21
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| posted on 9/12/13 at 04:51 PM |
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Info needed on racing
Hi Guys
I have had my MK indy for a few months now and done a few track days etc
Through the next year im looking at competing in some springs and hill climbs etc, nothing too competitive, just something different to trackdays and
a good bit of fun. If anythingI just want to improve my own skills
I was wondering how I would go about starting?
I've figured that I need a MSA licence, a none race one is it?
and also some protective gear (is a motorbike helmet no good? has to be fia approved?)
I'll be buying a nomex suit, boots, gloves and probably a hans device too
I work offshore so getting dates for races to match up with when im home is tricky, am i able to just enter one or two events in a series?
I lived near middlesbrough too, and dont want to have to travel toooo far. I know there are events at olivers mount and harewood house, are there any
others to look out for?
what sort of costs would i be looking at for entries?
what else do i need to know? I've never raced before and have no clue at all about what to expect! so any help would be amazing 
are there any other types of racing I should look into aswell? I dont want anything too competitive as if I smash my car or someone helps me smash it,
then its gone and thats that!
Thanks in advance for any help!
Matt
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Matt21
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| posted on 9/12/13 at 04:52 PM |
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Oh also, what kind of class would I be in?
mk indy with 919cc fireblade engine and toyo r888's (possibly slicks if theyre suitable etc)
do they do a beginners class?! 
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daniel mason
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| posted on 9/12/13 at 06:34 PM |
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im in the same boat and doing my first season in 2014.
you need;
your car MSA logbooked
non race national b license
think you need to be a member of an msa car club
fia race suit (cant remember numbers but something like 8856-2000)
fia gloves
fia/snell approved helmet (im getting a hans helmet and hans device just in case)
timing strut + anything in blue book to make your car comply to which ever class your in
im entering the toyota blyton series in class x (for non toyotas) as i like the venue and its generous if you have an 'off' and possibly a
few others. give me a u2u if you want more info
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Smokey mow
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| posted on 9/12/13 at 07:54 PM |
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There's a useful beginners guide here
http://www.wscc.co.uk/download/Beginners-Guide-2011.pdf
It's more relevant to the WSCC speed series but gives a good overview of what equiptment you need and what changes may be required to the car.
If the car is licenced for the road and competing in a road legal condition (ie not on slicks) then you wont need an MSA log book. You don't
need to be a member of a club, although if you are registered to a particular championship or club then you'll be on a mailing list for entries
and typically a number of places at events will be reserved for championship competitors.
The class your car will be placed in will vary between organising clubs, but typically kit cars have two catagories for road going upto 1800cc and
road going over 1800cc
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daniel mason
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| posted on 9/12/13 at 08:04 PM |
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says on there you need to registered with an msa club? or am i missing something? (as usual)
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Smokey mow
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| posted on 9/12/13 at 08:17 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by daniel mason
says on there you need to registered with an msa club? or am i missing something? (as usual)
In the case of the WSCC speed series you have to be a member. For a one off event it's normally posssible to pay an extra £5 or so on the entry
fee for a one day membership of the host club. Club membership isn't a great deal of money in the scope of costs though and as well as being in
the WSCC I'm a member of Borough 19 motorclub (£24) which opens up opportunities and and gets me invites to most events being held here in the
south east.
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daniel mason
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| posted on 9/12/13 at 08:23 PM |
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do you have any info on the westfield speed series class j? and how its classed? im aware you can not enter the championship in class j (non westy)
but desperately want to get into club level sprinting in 2014
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ali f27
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| posted on 9/12/13 at 08:24 PM |
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Hi hill climb sprint people are very friendly and allways very helpful you will enjoy it are you road reg and going to run road class or race class
makes a bit of differance regs wise
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daniel mason
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| posted on 9/12/13 at 08:30 PM |
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ill be in a sports libre radical of some description for definate. just not sure whether to modify my clubsport to comply or buy a sprint/hill ready
one.
it will be mainly for fun and i wont be entering a championship. and circuit sprints rather than hills for now. ill be doing trackdays with friends
too.
[Edited on 9/12/13 by daniel mason]
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Smokey mow
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| posted on 9/12/13 at 08:35 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by daniel mason
do you have any info on the westfield speed series class j? and how its classed? im aware you can not enter the championship in class j (non westy)
but desperately want to get into club level sprinting in 2014
There's a bit more about it in last years regs
http://www.wscc.co.uk/download/WSCC%20Speed%20Series%202013%20Draft%20Regs%20Rev%201.pdf
Essentially class J is a catch all for any non-westfields and is generally frequented by those who either use to own westfields or those with other
marques of cars such as strikers and Caterham's etc
J is split into 3 classes,
J1 roadgoing or modified specialist production - this would typicall be where road going kit cars would be
J2 racing cars - formula fords etc
J3 roadgoing or modified production cars - production cars such as tin-tops or lotus elise etc, ether road legal or modified.
[Edited on 9/12/13 by Smokey mow]
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daniel mason
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| posted on 9/12/13 at 08:43 PM |
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thats a pain as mines sports libre and not catered for
thanks for the help!
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Smokey mow
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| posted on 9/12/13 at 08:44 PM |
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Daniel, a quick google and these appear to be the clubs/championships most local to yourself.
http://motorclub.genesis-ws.co.uk/index.php/sprint-series
http://www.speedchampionship.com/regulations/northern-speed-classes/
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Smokey mow
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| posted on 9/12/13 at 08:45 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by daniel mason
thats a pain as mines sports libre and not catered for
thanks for the help!
The J classes are pretty flexible, that would probably go into J2
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daniel mason
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| posted on 9/12/13 at 08:49 PM |
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ive seen them 2 before as well as the wigton motor club series but liked the venues on the wscc!
also to go in j2 (racing cars) would my car need to comply with race cars regs even though msa logbooked in sports libre?
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Smokey mow
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| posted on 9/12/13 at 08:57 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by daniel mason
also to go in j2 (racing cars) would my car need to comply with race cars regs even though msa logbooked in sports libre?
no the WSCC classes
(or any other club classes) don't define the MSA regs. if the car is a sports libre then that is what it should comply with and how the
scrutineer will check it on the day of the event, he wont be interested in what club class you have entered only that the car comples with the
relevant MSA regs for what it is.
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Matt21
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| posted on 10/12/13 at 07:55 AM |
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yes im fully road legal
would changing tyres from r888s to slicks put me in a different class?
if thats the case i might just save the slicks for track days
I'll have a flick through those links later and see if it makes sense 
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Smokey mow
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| posted on 10/12/13 at 08:19 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Matt21
yes im fully road legal
would changing tyres from r888s to slicks put me in a different class?
if thats the case i might just save the slicks for track days
I'll have a flick through those links later and see if it makes sense
Yes, slicks will move you to a non road going class
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jeffw
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| posted on 10/12/13 at 12:43 PM |
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I did this for another site but it might help you
1. A car (pretty obvious):- Lots of different classes but I'll assume for the sake of this that we are talking about a road-legal kit car. The
class of this is specialist sports cars and normally has all the Lotus Exige/Elises & the kits in. Typically split at 1700cc and therefore I run
in the Over 1700cc class whereas a 1000cc BEC would be in the under 1700cc Class. I have ended up competing with a 7.3l Ultima! As the car is road
legal you will need to prove Tax, MoT (if required & insurance when you sign on. The car most be road legal in all respects and you can use MSA
List 1b tyres (R888, A048R etc etc) and you can also use the standard road tyres listed in 1a but you will not do very well unless it rains. Update:
BEC now appear to be running in over 1700cc class.
1a. Car Scrutineering :- They will check the car is safe which included harness which must be good condition (doesn't need to be FIA/MSA
approved for road going but I would recommend it), they look under the bonnet (you need to have a yellow earth lead to the battery for easy
identification). Although not required in a road class if you have fitted a roll cage it must meet the MSA requirements, same with master electrical
switch & manually activated extinguisher. You must also identify how to turn the car off on the dashboard.
2. Clothing/Helmet. You will need a Snell SA2005 or better helmet (open cars required a full face lid), a MSA approved and in-date suit and approved
gloves. You don't need boots or underwear but it would be wise to wear them anyway. First time you compete you will need to pay £1 to the
scrutineer for "MSA approved" sticker on your helmet.
3. License. To compete in a road-going kit car at Sprints or Hill Climbs you need a MSA Non-Race National B license. The cost is £38 or so and you can
apply online at http://www.msauk.org
4. Club membership. You need to belong to a MSA approved club. There are loads of these around but I belong to Sevenoaks & District Motor Club (
http://www.sevenoaksmotorclub.com/ ) & also Tunbridge Well Motor Club ( http://www.twmc.org.uk/ ). Cost is about £20 and it allows you to enter
their series.
5. Sprint Entry. Normally the Regs are published a few months before the event and you simple fill in the form and send off your dosh. Small airfield
sprints are around £100 and ones on proper circuits can be upto £200. The bigger events get booked up very early so be quick.
Your first sprint
Preparation
Check your car over, make sure everything is connected/tight/bolted down. You will need a timing strut (made and fixed as per the MSA Blue Book, to be
fitted on site), some numbers (or black tape) to match your entry numbers (remember to do this once you arrive at the venue not before), your
clothing/helmet, a few tools and chair/drink etc.
Turning Up
Be as early as possible as this gives you the time to sort things out. All the instructions will be on the entry information sent through to you.
Typically the following happens
a. Turn up and park in the designated area
b. Sign on.....remember all you bits of paper (Insurance, V5, MoT, MSA License, Club Membership card)
c. Fit numbers and timing strut
d. Take car/self/kit to be scrutineered.
e. Walk course (watch flash gits with push bikes do it in a few minutes while you walk round)
f. Drivers Brief
Competition
Normally sprints consisting of 2 practise runs and 3 timed runs. This is typically done in number order do make sure you are ready to queue up, in all
your kit, when your class is running. After each run all the times are printed up on a board somewhere so you can see how much in the lead you are
Prize Giving
After the event is finished you will need to hang about to pick up your Fastest Time of the Day trophy (!) or applaud the winners. Normally a pot of
1st & 2nd in each class.
Once it is all done you need to take your timing strut and numbers off the car before going on the public road. This is the point you start planning
the next time
It is great fun and I would recommend anyone who fancies it to have a go. Anyone who can drive a car on a trackday can sprint it....
Feel free to ask any questions and I will attempt to answer them with my limited experience.
[Edited on 10/12/13 by jeffw]
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MK9R
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| posted on 10/12/13 at 02:31 PM |
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How about the 750mc allcomers races, basically allows anything in that doesnt fit in any of the other classes. Its not a full championship just the
odd race.
Cheers Austen
RGB car number 9
www.austengreenway.co.uk
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www.trackace.co.uk
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ali f27
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| posted on 10/12/13 at 06:34 PM |
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Hi Matt i would run in road class this would mean running on road tyres r 888s would be fine in your first year you would be in up to 1400 cc class at
most events and would probs get your arse kicked buy somebody with a busa engine but that is how it is.It takes a while to learn some of the hills so
dont worry about being off the pace at first just try to improve your own times and learn you have to be tidy i came from rallying and soon found out
sideways looks good and is fun but slow really your car probs only needs timing strut and will be ready to go if you need more info my number
07933787810
Cheers Ali
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thefreak
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| posted on 10/12/13 at 07:16 PM |
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The guy who does our website has put a pretty good beginners guide on how to start.
http://www.5clubracing.co.uk/go-racing/
With the licence, you could do with doing the race National B rather than the non-race one. Otherwise you'll only have to redo it when you want
to play properly.
Best advice is just to get out and do it. I started 2 years ago and wish I'd started sooner. The guys in the paddock always welcome new-comers
regardless of what class you're racing in.
The big black and yellow target you have to run around with to start with gives everyone else warning you're possibly not as clued up as the
others, so don't worry about a beginners class
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redturner
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| posted on 16/12/13 at 11:55 AM |
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Being near Middlesborough you should join the Wigton MC. They used to have events at the Teeside Kart track and what a stunning venue that is. I did a
couple of events there with the single seater and thoroughly enjoyed it..
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