rf900rush
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| posted on 3/11/11 at 10:56 PM |
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Selling My Dax Rush to so I can buy some speaker cables :)
Tried Selling My Dax Rush this year, with no luck.
If I had, I could buy some new speaker cables. LINKY 
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lewis
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| posted on 3/11/11 at 11:19 PM |
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How can speaker cable be that expensive?!? Can you really tell the difference between the most expensive and the cheapest on there website?
I am a driving god!..........sort of
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PSpirine
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| posted on 3/11/11 at 11:36 PM |
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No.
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splitrivet
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| posted on 4/11/11 at 12:08 AM |
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Perhaps the biggest load of snake oil this side of the black stump.
Cheers,
Bob
I used to be a Werewolf but I'm alright nowwoooooooooooooo
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Autosri
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| posted on 4/11/11 at 12:35 AM |
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fuck me thats plain stupid 7 grand for 5 meters of wire some people need help
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coyoteboy
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| posted on 4/11/11 at 01:18 AM |
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Just dig a little deeper and you'll find people trying to convince you that speaker cables can be directional. Yes, that's right, the AC
signal that travels both ways by definition prefers one direction in a conductor.......just listen, only refined ears can hear it - you can hear it
right?....
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LBMEFM
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| posted on 4/11/11 at 05:24 AM |
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I think they are a bargain, it has probally taken years of careful research and developement to construct these highly sophisticated cables. The
manufacturing process in it's self is very expensive and I understand the profit margins are very small. At last a company that puts quality
before cost on what is the F1 product in acoustic world. I would like to wish Dr Richard Bews (wasn't he in the Likely Lads in the 60's
before he became a doctor) all the luck in the world with his hifi wires.
[Edited on 4/11/11 by LBMEFM]
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LBMEFM
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| posted on 4/11/11 at 05:52 AM |
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Only kidding  
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jeffw
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| posted on 4/11/11 at 06:33 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by coyoteboy
Just dig a little deeper and you'll find people trying to convince you that speaker cables can be directional. Yes, that's right, the AC
signal that travels both ways by definition prefers one direction in a conductor.......just listen, only refined ears can hear it - you can hear it
right?....
I would think the signal to a speaker is DC rather than AC. As with everything else in life this is the law of diminishing returns, is it worth 7K,
well to some people it is. I have lowly Linn speaker cables from my Naim amps to my Ruark speakers and the cable 'only' cost £250 but it
sounds amazing when you put a piece of vinyl on the Sondek. If I had lots of money and it was something I was really into then 7K wouldn't put
me off as there is sound engineering reasons why this makes a difference. To a generation listening to compressed MP3 dgital files on their iPods
this means nothing but to a audiophile it is the equivalent to a 599 GTO Ferrari, something to aspire to.
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probablyleon
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| posted on 4/11/11 at 07:31 AM |
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HiFi is one of the biggest rackets on the planet. The "this sounds amazing, can't you hear the difference you cloth eared muppet"
scenario has made these people a fortune. Yes, £7000 cables wlll be better than £20 ones from Maplins but the difference would be a bit like making
your car 1
2lbs lighter and then waxing lyrical about the transformation.
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Agriv8
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| posted on 4/11/11 at 08:01 AM |
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No No No no no no whats the saying a fool and his money are easily parted
though on a similar vain - off to richer sounds at the weekend for a new AV Amp
Richer Sounds - do you want a £70 Dvi cable with that sir .
Me - The amp is only £150 and DVI is digital So no I will use my £3 from Asda thanks, now do you want my £150 or not !
Richer sounds - but you may get data loss with a £3 cable
Me - Possibly but I can get a gigabit digital signal down a 15 year old cat 5 lan lead, I will take my chance and spend the £67 on somthing else. PS
please take a look at the markup your company is buying the £70 DVI cable for ( I guess about £7 )?
Regards
Agriv8
Taller than your average Guy !
Management is like a tree of monkeys. - Those at the top look down and see a tree full of smiling faces. BUT Those at the bottom look up and see a
tree full of a*seholes .............
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Stott
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| posted on 4/11/11 at 08:14 AM |
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Woah that's a couple of singles in a bit of braid with soldered ends
I'll make you 50m for £2k, and it'll be done by lunch if u want, even got the parts here lol
In reply to a previous post, audio signal is ac
Atb
Stott
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bmseven
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| posted on 4/11/11 at 08:26 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by jeffw
quote:
Originally posted by coyoteboy
Just dig a little deeper and you'll find people trying to convince you that speaker cables can be directional. Yes, that's right, the AC
signal that travels both ways by definition prefers one direction in a conductor.......just listen, only refined ears can hear it - you can hear it
right?....
I would think the signal to a speaker is DC rather than AC. As with everything else in life this is the law of diminishing returns, is it worth 7K,
well to some people it is. I have lowly Linn speaker cables from my Naim amps to my Ruark speakers and the cable 'only' cost £250 but it
sounds amazing when you put a piece of vinyl on the Sondek. If I had lots of money and it was something I was really into then 7K wouldn't put
me off as there is sound engineering reasons why this makes a difference. To a generation listening to compressed MP3 dgital files on their iPods
this means nothing but to a audiophile it is the equivalent to a 599 GTO Ferrari, something to aspire to.
^ What he said, some people listen and some people LISTEN
BMW 7 Resource
Bures Pit anyone?
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 4/11/11 at 08:40 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by jeffw
quote:
Originally posted by coyoteboy
Just dig a little deeper and you'll find people trying to convince you that speaker cables can be directional. Yes, that's right, the AC
signal that travels both ways by definition prefers one direction in a conductor.......just listen, only refined ears can hear it - you can hear it
right?....
I would think the signal to a speaker is DC rather than AC.
Its AC, speakers don't work well with DC since the cone has to be moved in both directions. In fact any decent amplifier will have protection
circuitry to ensure DC never gets to the speaker since it could burn the voice coil out very quickly.
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splitrivet
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| posted on 4/11/11 at 08:54 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by MikeRJ
quote:
Originally posted by jeffw
quote:
Originally posted by coyoteboy
Just dig a little deeper and you'll find people trying to convince you that speaker cables can be directional. Yes, that's right, the AC
signal that travels both ways by definition prefers one direction in a conductor.......just listen, only refined ears can hear it - you can hear it
right?....
I would think the signal to a speaker is DC rather than AC.
Its AC, speakers don't work well with DC since the cone has to be moved in both directions. In fact any decent amplifier will have protection
circuitry to ensure DC never gets to the speaker since it could burn the voice coil out very quickly.
^ What he said, this thread just goes to prove you can fool some of the people....
Cheers,
Bob
I used to be a Werewolf but I'm alright nowwoooooooooooooo
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coyoteboy
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| posted on 4/11/11 at 09:53 AM |
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quote:
I would think the signal to a speaker is DC rather than AC.
Sorry, but as said above, you'd be wrong. Directional cables are snake oil, pure and simple.
Quality cables, of course, will affect signal output to some degree but not much beyond a "normal" quality level. I'd happily test
any cable you send to me to assess the signal degradation along it to prove the point
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probablyleon
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| posted on 4/11/11 at 10:07 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by bmseven
quote:
Originally posted by jeffw
quote:
Originally posted by coyoteboy
Just dig a little deeper and you'll find people trying to convince you that speaker cables can be directional. Yes, that's right, the AC
signal that travels both ways by definition prefers one direction in a conductor.......just listen, only refined ears can hear it - you can hear it
right?....
I would think the signal to a speaker is DC rather than AC. As with everything else in life this is the law of diminishing returns, is it worth 7K,
well to some people it is. I have lowly Linn speaker cables from my Naim amps to my Ruark speakers and the cable 'only' cost £250 but it
sounds amazing when you put a piece of vinyl on the Sondek. If I had lots of money and it was something I was really into then 7K wouldn't put
me off as there is sound engineering reasons why this makes a difference. To a generation listening to compressed MP3 dgital files on their iPods
this means nothing but to a audiophile it is the equivalent to a 599 GTO Ferrari, something to aspire to.
^ What he said, some people listen and some people LISTEN
I spend most of my life 'listening' in various studios and I'm certainly not immune to spending money (where it counts) in my own
project studio; Neumann mics, Neve preamps etc etc but speaker cable?!? I think it would be impossible to truly tell the difference between standard
'good quality' speaker cable and anything more expensive. As for expensive digital cables, there was something in a magazine a few years
back where apparently they managed to successfully make wet string work!
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jeffw
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| posted on 4/11/11 at 10:22 AM |
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Yeap....obvious brain damage in old age. As an electronic engineer I know loudspeaker speaker signals are AC in nature. I wasn't defending
directional cable but rather suggesting that quality components, well designed, will produce better results than cheap end of the market. As I said
it is diminishing returns.....
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Macbeast
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| posted on 4/11/11 at 10:27 AM |
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Just remember that the best speakers give 10% distortion, electrical to air pressure
If you have a 50' run from amp to speaker you might want to use thicker cable to reduce power loss and HF roll off.
Otherwise, spend your money on a street girl ( they fake it too )
Edit after actually looking at the site:
A £ 250 mains lead will make all the difference though
[Edited on 4/11/11 by Macbeast]
I'm addicted to brake fluid, but I can stop anytime.
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Agriv8
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| posted on 4/11/11 at 01:09 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by probablyleon
quote:
Originally posted by bmseven
quote:
Originally posted by jeffw
quote:
Originally posted by coyoteboy
Just dig a little deeper and you'll find people trying to convince you that speaker cables can be directional. Yes, that's right, the AC
signal that travels both ways by definition prefers one direction in a conductor.......just listen, only refined ears can hear it - you can hear it
right?....
I would think the signal to a speaker is DC rather than AC. As with everything else in life this is the law of diminishing returns, is it worth 7K,
well to some people it is. I have lowly Linn speaker cables from my Naim amps to my Ruark speakers and the cable 'only' cost £250 but it
sounds amazing when you put a piece of vinyl on the Sondek. If I had lots of money and it was something I was really into then 7K wouldn't put
me off as there is sound engineering reasons why this makes a difference. To a generation listening to compressed MP3 dgital files on their iPods
this means nothing but to a audiophile it is the equivalent to a 599 GTO Ferrari, something to aspire to.
^ What he said, some people listen and some people LISTEN
I spend most of my life 'listening' in various studios and I'm certainly not immune to spending money (where it counts) in my own
project studio; Neumann mics, Neve preamps etc etc but speaker cable?!? I think it would be impossible to truly tell the difference between standard
'good quality' speaker cable and anything more expensive. As for expensive digital cables, there was something in a magazine a few years
back where apparently they managed to successfully make wet string work!
A BT engineer once said they can get digital over a peice of damp string in fact a large number of you lot in BT land are getting high speed internet
over 10 - 15 year old crimped together copper.
Regards
Agriv8
Taller than your average Guy !
Management is like a tree of monkeys. - Those at the top look down and see a tree full of smiling faces. BUT Those at the bottom look up and see a
tree full of a*seholes .............
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 4/11/11 at 02:18 PM |
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Just hilarious, obviously some folk have never heard of the Emperors new clothes
Honestly the stuff people waste money on, god knows how they still have any left?
Fame is when your old car is plastered all over the internet
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jeffw
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| posted on 4/11/11 at 03:00 PM |
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Pretty sure I would be wasting my time talking about high end audio equipment on a forum which has as its central premise building a sports car for
£250.
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jeffw
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| posted on 4/11/11 at 03:03 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Agriv8
A BT engineer once said they can get digital over a peice of damp string in fact a large number of you lot in BT land are getting high speed internet
over 10 - 15 year old crimped together copper.
Regards
Agriv8
There is an enormous difference between a digital signal (and no damp string wouldn't do it) over copper or fibre and an Analogue signal between
an amplifier and a set of speakers.
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Agriv8
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| posted on 4/11/11 at 03:11 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by jeffw
quote:
Originally posted by Agriv8
A BT engineer once said they can get digital over a peice of damp string in fact a large number of you lot in BT land are getting high speed internet
over 10 - 15 year old crimped together copper.
Regards
Agriv8
There is an enormous difference between a digital signal (and no damp string wouldn't do it) over copper or fibre and an Analogue signal between
an amplifier and a set of speakers.
Totaly agree ang have some good stuff wiring up my speakers ( not quite £250 ).
but I happy hooking up my PC through my AV amp using a £3 DVI cable so can pull 5.1 sound of the DVI before firing the picture up to the Flat pannel
TV
regards
Agriv8
Taller than your average Guy !
Management is like a tree of monkeys. - Those at the top look down and see a tree full of smiling faces. BUT Those at the bottom look up and see a
tree full of a*seholes .............
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coyoteboy
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| posted on 4/11/11 at 03:37 PM |
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quote:
Pretty sure I would be wasting my time talking about high end audio equipment on a forum which has as its central premise building a sports car for
£250.
Made me grin, but doesn't mean people don't know what they're talking about or are not willing to spend money where it matters.
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