Andy D
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| posted on 24/4/09 at 03:15 PM |
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Off the mark, I'd agree the lighter weight and sequential box of a BEC is superior.
...But, the real world is not about 0 to 60 is it. 
Here's a vid from Monday's trackday at Teesside kart track. The drag out of the down hill corner on the back straight is from about 30mph
up to just over 100mph. My car is probably near 600k, 170bhp. The Lotus is very light around 400k with fireblade power, 125 bhp? There's not
much in it is there. 
BEC vs BEC
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coozer
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| posted on 24/4/09 at 03:22 PM |
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And thats both of them passing a ZX12 Bec!
1972 V8 Jago
1980 Z750
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chrisg
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| posted on 24/4/09 at 03:22 PM |
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The Pinto would win because the BEC girls would still be doing their make-up.
Cheers
Chris
Note to all: I really don't know when to leave well alone. I tried to get clever with the mods, then when they gave me a lifeline to see the
error of my ways, I tried to incite more trouble via u2u. So now I'm banned, never to return again. They should have done it years ago!
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JoelP
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| posted on 24/4/09 at 03:28 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Andy D
Off the mark, I'd agree the lighter weight and sequential box of a BEC is superior.
...But, the real world is not about 0 to 60 is it.
Here's a vid from Monday's trackday at Teesside kart track. The drag out of the down hill corner on the back straight is from about 30mph
up to just over 100mph. My car is probably near 600k, 170bhp. The Lotus is very light around 400k with fireblade power, 125 bhp? There's not
much in it is there.
BEC vs BEC
how much do you have to spend on a pinto to get 170bhp out of it?
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Andy D
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| posted on 24/4/09 at 04:05 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by JoelP
quote:
Originally posted by Andy D
Off the mark, I'd agree the lighter weight and sequential box of a BEC is superior.
...But, the real world is not about 0 to 60 is it.
Here's a vid from Monday's trackday at Teesside kart track. The drag out of the down hill corner on the back straight is from about 30mph
up to just over 100mph. My car is probably near 600k, 170bhp. The Lotus is very light around 400k with fireblade power, 125 bhp? There's not
much in it is there.
BEC vs BEC
how much do you have to spend on a pinto to get 170bhp out of it?
Well, I got lucky on ebay with an unused Burton stage 2 head, plus 2.1 bottom end, totalled about a grand.
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matt.c
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| posted on 24/4/09 at 05:53 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by jacko
R1
Pinto
zx9r
up too 1/8 mile=220 ft
Nooooo!!! Cant let that bu**er win! 
I would never hear the end of it!
Hmm how long would a zx9 last with a big bottle of NOS? Woohoo we are off, what was that? BANG! Bu**er! 
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matt.c
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| posted on 24/4/09 at 05:55 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by flak monkey
You two lads coming to stoneleigh then? Come onnnnnnnnn you know you both want to!
We will be there but we wont have to wear ear plugs to get there.
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Steve Hignett
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| posted on 24/4/09 at 11:30 PM |
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Without buttering your crumpet Andy, or indeed hinting that your car isn't fast, but: You aren't exactly known as the guy who
CAN'T paddle his boat round a race track!!!
quote:
Originally posted by Andy D
Off the mark, I'd agree the lighter weight and sequential box of a BEC is superior.
...But, the real world is not about 0 to 60 is it.
Here's a vid from Monday's trackday at Teesside kart track. The drag out of the down hill corner on the back straight is from about 30mph
up to just over 100mph. My car is probably near 600k, 170bhp. The Lotus is very light around 400k with fireblade power, 125 bhp? There's not
much in it is there.
BEC vs BEC
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Andy D
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| posted on 25/4/09 at 06:50 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Steve Hignett
Without buttering your crumpet Andy, or indeed hinting that your car isn't fast, but: You aren't exactly known as the guy who
CAN'T paddle his boat round a race track!!!
quote:
Originally posted by Andy D
Off the mark, I'd agree the lighter weight and sequential box of a BEC is superior.
...But, the real world is not about 0 to 60 is it.
Here's a vid from Monday's trackday at Teesside kart track. The drag out of the down hill corner on the back straight is from about 30mph
up to just over 100mph. My car is probably near 600k, 170bhp. The Lotus is very light around 400k with fireblade power, 125 bhp? There's not
much in it is there.
BEC vs BEC
The point I was trying to make, was not about driving as such.. it was comparing the acceleration of the two cars in a straight line down the
straight. Take away the 0 bit of 0 to 60, and BECs dont have such an advantage.
Buttered crumpet....daaaaww..
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Steve Hignett
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| posted on 25/4/09 at 07:30 AM |
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I agree, but i think the driving/driver does come into it in a big way! Hence my first reply to Matt's OP.
Having said that, just add to your point, I think that you have to have an unusually light BEC for the differences that you are on about to show.
For eg - 0 to 60 doesn't apply on a trackday as there isn't a standing start. It's only really 40/70 to 110 that matters as
that's the speed you're exiting the corners. A lighter BEC should be able to corner at a higher speed but that depends on drivers skill
and balls, and more (maybe?) importantly, car setup. I think until you get in to racing these cars then a standard chassis'ed Westy is going to
be less of a handful than your average locost (MK, MAC1, MNR etc) meaning that the BEC advantage is lessoned and lessoned.
Still wouldn't have anything else personally, but do fully appreciate that they aren't the leagues apart that some make out...
(Unless you'r glueing things in your exhaust that whizz round really quick )
ATB
Steve
ps - guess what I'm eating right now!!!
quote:
Originally posted by Andy D
The point I was trying to make, was not about driving as such.. it was comparing the acceleration of the two cars in a straight line down the
straight. Take away the 0 bit of 0 to 60, and BECs dont have such an advantage.
Buttered crumpet....daaaaww..
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Steve Hignett
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| posted on 25/4/09 at 10:00 AM |
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Lovin this by the way, Andy/Peter!
PINTO ENGINE NOISE ON TRACK WITH NO OVERLAYED MUSIC
[Edited on 25/4/09 by Steve Hignett]
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omega 24 v6
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| posted on 25/4/09 at 10:40 AM |
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What a load of pish this thread is
It doesn't matter which car is fastest cause when you get to the pub to discuss it the cec's will all have reversed into their parking
spaces and it's at this point the race will be won by a cec.
If it looks wrong it probably is wrong.
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