Steve G
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| posted on 17/7/09 at 05:02 PM |
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Well i've got to be honest - i cant see why anyone has an issue with Contributors getting priority on Sale items (and i am not yet a
contributor!!).
Having seen items sell on here literally in minutes, is it not therefore fair that those who support the running of this forum get first dibs on the
bargains to be had?? If you are a contributor with loads of posts, wouldnt you be a bit pee'd off if a newbie who had only just joined got in
there a minute before you?? I would - but feel 48hrs may be a little on the long side for those who are trying to sell items to reach the wider
audience. If something doesnt go within the first hour or two then clearly its going to be a little tougher to sell. 24hrs might be a better idea for
all - both buyers and sellers??
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mistergrumpy
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| posted on 17/7/09 at 05:03 PM |
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I can see what Staple's saying. If a notice would've gone up or a mass U2U asking for contributions for a new server and it's cost
etc. there may have been a bigger response. A little bit of member involvement/sharing the responsibility, but to suddenly click one day and find
you're being penalised seems a bit rude, like entering someones room without knocking, kind of. I have to say as well to follow it up with
abrupt responses from Chris is a bit off, take a leaf from Fozzies book, chill a bit, have a little more diplomacy.
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Staple balls
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| posted on 17/7/09 at 05:04 PM |
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My point is, if you'd asked for donations, I'd (and i'm sure many others) would've stuck another tenner into the pot, and
you'd likely have made more money by asking nicely, than restricting access to parts of the site.
As you've effectively made the for sale section a commercial venture* I'm not inclined to donate.
*Obviously, I have no stats, but I'd happily bet all the great deals and bargains go inside 48 hours, you're just selling access to the
better deals.
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Steve G
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| posted on 17/7/09 at 05:14 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Staple balls
*Obviously, I have no stats, but I'd happily bet all the great deals and bargains go inside 48 hours, you're just selling access to the
better deals.
Or to look at it from the other direction, give those who support the running of the site a better chance of picking up the bargains.
You're likely to recoup your contribution to the site the first time you buy a reasonable value item.
No-one is forcing anyone to contribute here and if you dont want to then dont - better chance for those who do to get a bargain if there's less
competition so cant see Contributors going to complain in that case
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pinto
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| posted on 17/7/09 at 05:36 PM |
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This post reminds me
Although im a Contributor
i haven't paid lately
so just paid again great site well worth it
Thanks  
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Staple balls
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| posted on 17/7/09 at 06:01 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Steve G
No-one is forcing anyone to contribute here and if you dont want to then dont - better chance for those who do to get a bargain if there's less
competition so cant see Contributors going to complain in that case
psst! look under my name  , I've contributed, and if asked, I'd've done so again, making access to an area something you have to
pay for removes my inclination to pay again.
Though I'm not complaining, just trying to point out the flaws in the way they've gone about this.
I've been involved with other sites where the whole userbase very nearly upped and left due to the attempted commercialisation of the site
(instead we all donated to get the site off the old owner and into the hands of a trusted member)
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Peteff
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| posted on 17/7/09 at 06:13 PM |
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Contribution
I paid mine but never pursued the upgrade as it was too much hassle and I wanted to stay as a Marklar not be a contributor.
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ChrisW
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| posted on 17/7/09 at 06:21 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Peteff
I paid mine but never pursued the upgrade as it was too much hassle and I wanted to stay as a Marklar not be a contributor.
Pete - I'm afraid I don't have a solution for that at present, but there are some changes in the pipeline that will allow me to have
custom statuses AND contributor at the same time. It's quite a big change in the way the code works though, unfortunatly, so I'm not
intending to roll it out in this version of the site.
To all the others, please think of this not as a way to upset non-contributors, but to add value to those that have made very generous contributions.
Nobody is forcing anyone to contribute, so if you don't feel that the site is worthy of a fiver, there is no need to part with any money.
The majority of forums I've seen that charge for membership first off want an ongoing subscription, and secondly lock out whole areas of the
site to non-paying members. I don't do either of those things, and don't intend to either!
Chris
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jpindy3
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| posted on 17/7/09 at 06:32 PM |
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why the hell are poeple being so tight,
and not only that just being bluddy childish,
its only a fiver and its only 48hours and its only second hand car parts,
get over it.
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ChrisW
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| posted on 17/7/09 at 06:35 PM |
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Sorry, one other thing to add...
quote:
Originally posted by Staple balls
if asked, I'd've done so again, making access to an area something you have to pay for removes my inclination to pay again.
Surely, as a contributor, you should be pleased about the change? It can only work in your favour as you get first go at any items posted for
sale?
Chris
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Keith Weiland
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| posted on 17/7/09 at 06:38 PM |
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Who is the biggest contributor to a site like this? Someone who gives £5 once and posts infrequently or one who posts every day but pays nothing?
I think the basic idea is sound but you should make people with more than say 250 or 300 (non spam) posts contributors whether they have paid the fee
or not.
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scootz
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| posted on 17/7/09 at 06:38 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by jpindy3
why the hell are poeple being so tight,
and not only that just being bluddy childish,
its only a fiver and its only 48hours and its only second hand car parts,
get over it.
+1...
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Fozzie
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| posted on 17/7/09 at 06:38 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Staple balls
quote:
Originally posted by Steve G
No-one is forcing anyone to contribute here and if you dont want to then dont - better chance for those who do to get a bargain if there's less
competition so cant see Contributors going to complain in that case
psst! look under my name , I've contributed, and if asked, I'd've done so again, making access to an area something you have to
pay for removes my inclination to pay again.
Though I'm not complaining, just trying to point out the flaws in the way they've gone about this.
I've been involved with other sites where the whole userbase very nearly upped and left due to the attempted commercialisation of the site
(instead we all donated to get the site off the old owner and into the hands of a trusted member)
Sorry SB but you are waaaay off the mark here......there is nothing snide or underhand or 'commercial' going on here......
I think you are looking far too deeply into this...sorry.....
Steve G has pretty much hit the nail on the head with his posts...... 
If an announcement had been made there still would have been threads such as this.......
Talking of announcements, I posted one back in May about site issues (not this) ......very few have taken any notice.........
Ahhh I see Chris has also replied whilst I have been trying to compose this and do a thousand other things........
So there you go.....nowt underhand or commercial at all!
Fozzie
'Racing is Life!...anything before or after is just waiting'....Steve McQueen
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mookaloid
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| posted on 17/7/09 at 06:39 PM |
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Just wanna say a big thanks to ChrisW and Fozzie for building and looking after this great site
Well worth the contributions I have made so far, but having traders who make money from selling stuff contribute more substantial sums as they do is
also a good idea.
Please keep up the good work - there's lots of us appreciate what you do - even if you can't please everyone!
Cheers
Mark
"That thing you're thinking - it wont be that."
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Keith Weiland
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| posted on 17/7/09 at 06:41 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by ChrisW
Surely, as a contributor, you should be pleased about the change? It can only work in your favour as you get first go at any items posted for
sale?
Chris
Unless you are selling then it can only work against you. Maybe you could put 2 selling sections, one for contributors who want to have the
opportunity to sell to everyone straight away.
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Cheffy
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| posted on 17/7/09 at 06:43 PM |
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Did contribute ages ago but never chased up the upgrade - didn't make much difference then.
Anyway, just donated again. The help, support and information I have had from this site over the years massively outweighs a couple of small
contributions.
Keep up the good work guys.
Mart.
Farts are like Rock'n'Roll. You love your own but you hate everybody else's. Lemmy, Motorhead.
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Steve G
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| posted on 17/7/09 at 06:47 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Keith Weiland
quote:
Originally posted by ChrisW
Surely, as a contributor, you should be pleased about the change? It can only work in your favour as you get first go at any items posted for
sale?
Chris
Unless you are selling then it can only work against you. Maybe you could put 2 selling sections, one for contributors who want to have the
opportunity to sell to everyone straight away.
Any item that sells quickly this way goes to a contributor so thats where the benefit to contributors comes in.
The one problem i see on the "For Sale" section here is that 48hrs on, items are possibly going to be off the front page of the "For
Sale" section so could get missed when they become available to everyone. Also, there is nothing to show when items have been sold unlike other
sites i've looked at.
Maybe an automatic "bump" would help after 48hrs, and something to show when items are sold?? More work for admin but could help sellers
and buyers alike??
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ChrisW
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| posted on 17/7/09 at 06:51 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Keith Weiland
quote:
Originally posted by ChrisW
Surely, as a contributor, you should be pleased about the change? It can only work in your favour as you get first go at any items posted for
sale?
Chris
Unless you are selling then it can only work against you. Maybe you could put 2 selling sections, one for contributors who want to have the
opportunity to sell to everyone straight away.
I have thought about that, and it's a feature I will look into more. Not two sections, but giving the option for contributors to have their
adverts shown to non-contributors earlier.
If the current site contributors think this is a good idea, I'll look into it some more.
Chris
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Steve G
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| posted on 17/7/09 at 07:01 PM |
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I think its a safe bet that everyone will want the widest audience to their items for sale. Takes away the point of doing it in the first place if
there is an option surely Chris??
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JoelP
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| posted on 17/7/09 at 08:03 PM |
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I think there is no harm as it is, a 48 hour delay just lets contributors get in first, but after 48 hours its still the same price, to the same
audience as before. I suspect 24 hours would do the trick though.
Maybe a list on the front page of for sale threads as they turn 48 hours old?
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fazerruss
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| posted on 17/7/09 at 08:06 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mookaloid
Just wanna say a big thanks to ChrisW and Fozzie for building and looking after this great site
Well worth the contributions I have made so far, but having traders who make money from selling stuff contribute more substantial sums as they do is
also a good idea.
Please keep up the good work - there's lots of us appreciate what you do - even if you can't please everyone!
Cheers
Mark
Here here this site has saved me lots of time and money, Ive learnt alot and its a great bordem killer.
many thanks to those who run it.
Russ
"if assholes could fly this place would be an airport"
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stevebubs
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| posted on 20/7/09 at 10:03 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by ChrisW
quote:
Originally posted by Keith Weiland
quote:
Originally posted by ChrisW
Surely, as a contributor, you should be pleased about the change? It can only work in your favour as you get first go at any items posted for
sale?
Chris
Unless you are selling then it can only work against you. Maybe you could put 2 selling sections, one for contributors who want to have the
opportunity to sell to everyone straight away.
I have thought about that, and it's a feature I will look into more. Not two sections, but giving the option for contributors to have their
adverts shown to non-contributors earlier.
If the current site contributors think this is a good idea, I'll look into it some more.
Chris
Chris,
I've stayed out of this debate so far, but think this would be a good move and allow people who have contributed to vote with their mice.
Fully expect those that aren't contributors to be stuck with "only visible to contributors for 48 hours" though...
Stephen
(non-contributor...for now...)
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Rob Lane
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| posted on 24/7/09 at 07:33 AM |
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After such a long time it's a shame this site is heading for commercialism.
I think it's a bad idea to restrict any posts unless you declare this forum a closed one.
I've added my two'pennorth over time and am always lurking in background.
When you open a forum on the net you willingly take on it's problems and costs. If you want voluntary subscriptions , fine, but don't
apply blackmail, however disguised it is.
Chris,
Please remove me as a member, I've deleted all photos etc but am unable to remove my profile.
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loggyboy
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| posted on 27/7/09 at 11:04 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Rob Lane
After such a long time it's a shame this site is heading for commercialism.
I think it's a bad idea to restrict any posts unless you declare this forum a closed one.
I've added my two'pennorth over time and am always lurking in background.
When you open a forum on the net you willingly take on it's problems and costs. If you want voluntary subscriptions , fine, but don't
apply blackmail, however disguised it is.
Chris,
Please remove me as a member, I've deleted all photos etc but am unable to remove my profile.
Agree with all that.. but leaving is a bit OTT
Also to add mt 2ps
Now im assuming that the 48hr limit effects all posters, as in a contributers items will still not been seen by a non contributer for 48hrs?
If so i dont see how restricting the visability of a contributers advert making it harder for them to sell things is much of 'benefit'.
Im sure there are better ways to promote the donations. Ie bigger PM boxes, use of photo albums, longer periods for new users to post new threads in
the FS section. dedicated forums etc etc.
[Edited on 27/7/09 by loggyboy]
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Fozzie
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| posted on 28/7/09 at 09:04 AM |
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Hmmmm, I think a lot of you have misunderstood the ethos behind this.......
or, perhaps not fully read the posts by 'admins'..
ChrisW isn't actively touting for donations/contributions for the site.
Over the years, members have very generously 'contributed' of their own free will, toward this site.....
Some contribute waaay over the £5 (one-off payment), some contribute yearly....again because they want to......not, because they have been asked.
As a collective 'thank-you' and a way of giving a small privilege back to the very generous folk out there, it was deemed a nice gesture
to give 'first dibs' in the 'For Sale' section to those folk.
If ChrisW gained a few more contributors because of that, he said that those donations would go toward a new server/IT stuff for this site.
Anybody would think that the 'For Sale' section is always 'red-hot' with pages of bargains, it isn't....
It has been very sad over the last week, to observe some of the 'knee-jerk/keyboard-warrior' type posts, just because some people
haven't read the posts concerning this properly, or, if they didn't quite understand, send a u2u....
The 'For Sale' section is not where the wealth of information is to answer all manner of questions on building a car.......
Fozzie
'Racing is Life!...anything before or after is just waiting'....Steve McQueen
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