matt.c
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 posted on 23/4/09 at 08:58 PM |
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Can of worms.
Lets just say there are 3 "7" style kit cars.
One has a pinto on MS and throttle bodies.
One has an Carbed R1
One has a ZX9R
All running on 15" wheels and all running "roughly" the same weights.
In a drag race, which would be quickest?
And Overtaking a car from a steady  speed which one would be left behind?
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rusty nuts
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| posted on 23/4/09 at 08:59 PM |
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The one with the pinto, the other two have broken down!
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flak monkey
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| posted on 23/4/09 at 09:01 PM |
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Mel, I like your reasoning...
I recognise those engine combos.....hmmmm
What about a duratec engined one on MS? 
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Coose
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| posted on 23/4/09 at 09:03 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by matt.c
Lets just say there are 3 "7" style kit cars.
All running on 15" wheels and all running "roughly" the same weights.
The only way that you could make a BEC weigh as much as something with a Pinto is to encase the whole car in concrete!
Spin 'er off Well...
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Steve Hignett
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| posted on 23/4/09 at 09:05 PM |
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It is ALWAYS the one driven by the best driver (pls read = Driven by the guy who is willing to blow his car up to win the race...)
ATB
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001Ben
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| posted on 23/4/09 at 09:06 PM |
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BEC BEC BEC BEC BEC
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eccsmk
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| posted on 23/4/09 at 09:06 PM |
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R1
ZX9
PINTO
up to 60
complete guess but when you've put it to the test we will see
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jollygreengiant
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| posted on 23/4/09 at 09:09 PM |
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Yes this is all very well but what about the guy with the Zetec turbo. I think he's getting fed up waiting at the finish line for the other
three to stop their petty squabling.
Beware of the Goldfish in the tulip mines. The ONLY defence against them is smoking peanut butter sandwiches.
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locoR1
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| posted on 23/4/09 at 09:09 PM |
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In a drag race, which would be quickest?
Would have to say the R1 over 1/4 mile followed by ZX9R then Pinto
And Overtaking a car from a steady speed which one would be left behind?
Assuming you mean from cruising speed without being in the right gear to nail it for the bec's! as much as it hurts to say it Pinto First
followed by R1 then ZX9R last
 
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BenB
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| posted on 23/4/09 at 09:10 PM |
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Which year ZX9R / R1 etc 
Seriously though, to be the same weight you've have to have Vanessa Feltz in the passenger seat of the BECs!!! Silly situation!!!
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locoR1
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| posted on 23/4/09 at 09:12 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by jollygreengiant
Yes this is all very well but what about the guy with the Zetec turbo. I think he's getting fed up waiting at the finish line for the other
three to stop their petty squabling.
Thats not how i remember it from santa pod BECT BECT BECT
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roadrunner
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| posted on 23/4/09 at 09:12 PM |
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I have followed a Westie R1 with my Indy two up in mine but the Westie just had the driver, now i know the driver af the Westie was not hanging about
but i gave a good run for his money. 
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Hellfire
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| posted on 23/4/09 at 09:12 PM |
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OK. I'd say in a drag race
1st - ZX9R
2nd - R1
3rd - Pinto
The overtaking question is too subjective to determine which would be left behind. My guess is the person who reacted last
Phil
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BenB
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| posted on 23/4/09 at 09:13 PM |
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Anyway, the answer is simple....
R1
ZX9R (you really want the ZX14R)
Boat anchor
Assuming you've introduced the artificial removal of power:weight BEC advantage. Otherwise it's just down to power.....
You need to define the Pinto (size, state of tune etc) and what year the engines are. For high speed use power:weight gives way to BHP so again it
depends on which engines.
R1s can chuck out 170Bhp with ease. ZX9Rs are approx 130 IIRC. Pintos are old school technology
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Ivan
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| posted on 23/4/09 at 09:14 PM |
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Assuming all have similar power output and the gearing is suited to the engine torque and power curve the one that revs the highest and with max
torque within roughly 80% of max revs.
Basically performance is all about work rate which is all about revs which is why the low torque high revving BEC motors out perform high torque low
revving CEC motors on the track and generally in acceleration. Of course the Pinto will be the nicest to drive regularly on public roads.
The old saying is right - it's horses for courses
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roadrunner
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| posted on 23/4/09 at 09:25 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by BenB
Anyway, the answer is simple....
R1
ZX9R (you really want the ZX14R)
Boat anchor
Assuming you've introduced the artificial removal of power:weight BEC advantage. Otherwise it's just down to power.....
You need to define the Pinto (size, state of tune etc) and what year the engines are. For high speed use power:weight gives way to BHP so again it
depends on which engines.
R1s can chuck out 170Bhp with ease. ZX9Rs are approx 130 IIRC. Pintos are old school technology
I'm affraid the zx9r produces 143 BHP
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sickbag
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| posted on 23/4/09 at 09:42 PM |
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Could always answer this question once and for all at Santa Pod. But would we have nothing to argue about if we did find out for sure?
I mention Santa Pod as I'll be there on my old race bike 4th July doing a 'run what you brung' day.
Finally back on the job!
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yellow melos
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| posted on 23/4/09 at 09:47 PM |
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This is all about IF, but if all teh cars had the same power to weight and all had simlar torque curves.....and so on it would be down to the driver
and would not be much in it....
so... how long was the piece of string then?????
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Jasongray5
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| posted on 23/4/09 at 10:11 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by roadrunner
quote:
Originally posted by BenB
Anyway, the answer is simple....
R1
ZX9R (you really want the ZX14R)
Boat anchor
Assuming you've introduced the artificial removal of power:weight BEC advantage. Otherwise it's just down to power.....
You need to define the Pinto (size, state of tune etc) and what year the engines are. For high speed use power:weight gives way to BHP so again it
depends on which engines.
R1s can chuck out 170Bhp with ease. ZX9Rs are approx 130 IIRC. Pintos are old school technology
I'm affraid the zx9r produces 143 BHP
What year zx9r and what sort of tweaks are needed to gain figures like that?
Chaze Jas Gray
How hard can it be?
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matt.c
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| posted on 23/4/09 at 10:20 PM |
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Well thanks for the replies. I love a bit of banter even if there is no real answer. Time will tell but if i loose i will be prepared to blow it up to
win!
And flak, yes you will prob win when you get that new shiney engine in but only as mine will be in the garage with a rather large hole in the engine.
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Steve Hignett
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| posted on 23/4/09 at 10:32 PM |
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You know it makes sense mate...
quote:
Originally posted by matt.c
Well thanks for the replies. I love a bit of banter even if there is no real answer. Time will tell but if i lose i will be prepared to blow it up
to win!
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Snap-off
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| posted on 23/4/09 at 10:36 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by matt.c
Time will tell but if i loose i will be prepared to blow it up to win!
That be fighting talk!! Lol!
Once i learn to boot it from 1st to 2nd without missing neutral it's on!!
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flak monkey
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| posted on 24/4/09 at 06:57 AM |
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You two lads coming to stoneleigh then? Come onnnnnnnnn you know you both want to!
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iank
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| posted on 24/4/09 at 08:05 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Steve Hignett
It is ALWAYS the one driven by the best driver (pls read = Driven by the guy who is willing to blow his car up to win the race...)
ATB
The guy in the hire car then
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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jacko
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| posted on 24/4/09 at 08:10 AM |
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R1
Pinto
zx9r
up too 1/8 mile=220 ft
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