pauladamss
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| posted on 21/9/11 at 07:26 PM |
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Help for kit car virgin
Hello everyone as title says im new to kit cars so go easy on me.I have looking into kit cars for a while and have decided on the mk indy deluxe kit.
The engine on the other hand is proving to be a little harder to decide on first thoughts were to go for a 2.0 pinto it looks to be the easiest
option.But i would like to build something pretty quick and dont want to wish id used something else six months later.
How easy is it to fit a zetec engine as it is fwd?
Is it better to fit carbs (ecus scare me a bit)?
where do you stand with newer engines when it comes to cats what determines if you need one or not?
any help is appreciated.
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dave-69isit
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| posted on 21/9/11 at 07:36 PM |
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hello and welcome to the nut house please use the zetec as u will only change to one later as the pinto will give u fun but zetec is more fun for
same sort off cash just my two pence i have a xflow but i love xflows lol
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Poorscousertommy
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| posted on 21/9/11 at 07:40 PM |
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Welcome to the club! I've been ummin and ahhin for months, settled on an Indy deluxe kit (still not yet ordered)  an think I'm gonna
settle on a duratec.. Step down from the original plan, but decent power as stock, better power on itbs (prob @ build) and then supercharge a la flak
monkey as winter project once build complete!!
From my research, type 9 box (needs modded bellhousing - somebody help me here!) and job as they say is a good un!! Good luck whatever u go for and
keep us posted!
Oh yeah, cat for IVA, an then sling it in the back of the garage afterwards!! 
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lotusmadandy
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| posted on 21/9/11 at 07:41 PM |
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Hi Paul,welcome to the mad house.
I fitted a a pinto to my indy when i built it,then swapped it for a 2.0
zetec.my advice is to fit the zetec in the first place and be done with it.
The zetec is easy to fit,with the correct bits in place and bolts straight onto
the rwd box.you will need to consider the induction/ignition side of things
though and if your going carbs you will need megajolt.
Pre 95 engines dont need a cat.
Good choice of kit but then i am biased
Andy
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mcerd1
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| posted on 21/9/11 at 07:44 PM |
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an older engine (pre Aug 95) will save you from needing a CAT at the IVA
pinto's are my choice, but a CVH could make a swap to a zetec a little easier later and the 1.8 CVH sierra's arn't the most popular
so it could be easier to find one
[Edited on 21/9/2011 by mcerd1]
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Hellfire
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| posted on 21/9/11 at 07:58 PM |
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Welcome to the madhouse.
Have you ever considered fitting a motorbike engine?................
Phil
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se7ensport
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| posted on 21/9/11 at 08:01 PM |
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Bellhousing to suit type 9, low level sump, possible relocation of oil filter and alternator. Not cheap, but worth it in my opinion; I'm
converting from Pinto and by budget of £2.5k is looking to become a spend of closer to £3k with throttle bodies and very low mileage 2009 engine.
Once tuned I'm expecting a good 185+bhp, 200 is often quoted as possible with standard engine on quality TB's and exhaust (but there are
many variables).
quote:
Originally posted by Poorscousertommy
Welcome to the club! I've been ummin and ahhin for months, settled on an Indy deluxe kit (still not yet ordered) an think I'm gonna
settle on a duratec.. Step down from the original plan, but decent power as stock, better power on itbs (prob @ build) and then supercharge a la flak
monkey as winter project once build complete!!
From my research, type 9 box (needs modded bellhousing - somebody help me here!) and job as they say is a good un!! Good luck whatever u go for and
keep us posted!
Oh yeah, cat for IVA, an then sling it in the back of the garage afterwards!!
[Edited on 21/9/11 by se7ensport]
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pauladamss
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 posted on 21/9/11 at 08:02 PM |
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Thanks for the replies have the people who have fitted zetecs used injection or carbs im a little worried about the engine side of things carbs
distributors i can probably manage ecus not a clue.
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austin man
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| posted on 21/9/11 at 08:06 PM |
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The Zetec is simples really, you can fit carbs and get good power, the injection shouldnt be too scary with the aftermarket ecu's you will get 2
to 3 more MPG over a bike carbed engine.
Tunning potential of a 2 litre zetec is around 165 bhp without spending too much you can get 200 from one at a cost without wacking a turbo on it.
anything up to 300 with a turbo on it. They are pretty indestructable as well 150k is nothing for one thats been serviced regularly.
Im running a 1.8 in an indy enough power for me and good handling
Life is like a bowl of fruit, funny how all the weird looking ones are left alone
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steve m
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| posted on 21/9/11 at 08:08 PM |
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Welcome, Paul
I also, love xflows ! and would recomend them, and certainly for getting a car thru IVA/sva etc
they are old, robust, and dont need any emmisions etc, so much easier
Ii like the way my car drives with a xflow, and dont have any need for any more power, and to date have NEVER been beeten off the line
they are also so basic, you could work on them with very basic tooling
regards
steve
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lotusmadandy
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| posted on 21/9/11 at 08:09 PM |
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Atm my zetec is running zx9r bike carbs with megajolt for sparks.
Easy to do but you need to consider getting it through iva.This is not impossible
though.You can also use a nice set of webbers.
Andy
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pauladamss
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| posted on 21/9/11 at 08:22 PM |
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I emailed mk at the weekend and have had no reply is this normal or should i give them a bell. how long does it take after ordering to get the kit
weeks or months?
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pauladamss
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| posted on 21/9/11 at 08:25 PM |
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is it the emissions thats difficult to get it through the iva test
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danny keenan
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| posted on 21/9/11 at 08:33 PM |
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hi mate
i work at mk and answer the emails.iv not seen urs and i reply to them every day.unless yours is in the junk mail.
if you have any questions send me a u2u
cheers danny
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bobinspain
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| posted on 21/9/11 at 08:36 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by pauladamss
I emailed mk at the weekend and have had no reply is this normal or should i give them a bell. how long does it take after ordering to get the kit
weeks or months?
Paul,
Danny has the last race of the series coming up this weekend and the workshop is pretty busy as I understand it.
E-mails get answered, but telephone calls are ALWAYS answered and in a more timely manner.
I'm in regular contact with Danny and Barry from here in Spain. No problems.
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mcerd1
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| posted on 21/9/11 at 08:47 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by pauladamss
.....im a little worried about the engine side of things carbs distributors i can probably manage ecus not a clue.
the older engines mostly use a dizzy as standard (x-flow's, pinto's, CVH's, vauxhall redtop....) but the likes of a zetec
hasn't got antwhere to fit one - so you'll need a spark only ECU even if you use carb's
don't let that scare you though, a system like megajolt is ideal for sparks on a zetec or as an upgrade on a dizzy (better performance and you
can re-tune it yourself) it can be had for not much over £100 and only has a few wires to connect up.
also you can fit it to nearly any engine so it could be kept from one engine to the next 
quote:
Originally posted by pauladamss
is it the emissions thats difficult to get it through the iva test
only as dificult as an MOT for the age of the engine you use
so new engines will almost certainly need a cat, but pre 73 engines only need a visual smoke test
[Edited on 21/9/2011 by mcerd1]
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david_hornet27
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| posted on 21/9/11 at 09:33 PM |
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Hi and welcome.
I started with a 1.8 Pinto in my Seven and within 2 months had 'upgraded' to a re-bored and re-built 2.0 Pinto because I got used to the
power. Another four months later and I am in the process of installing a 2.0 Zetec Blacktop because I got used to the power again. My advice is aim
for the Zetec sooner rather than later and do what you need to get through the IVA. As others have mentioned it is much easier to get a Pinto through
the IVA so maybe build it with a Pinto and change to Zetec once through the test. It is pretty easy and cheap if you can weld and there is sooooo
much help and info on here to help when you get stuck.
I have managed to get all the bits and bobs needed for my Zetec conversion for little money, the guys on here are great for pointing you in the right
direction and plenty of useful cheap bits for sale in that part of the forum.
If you need a decent 2.0 Pinto let me know as mine will be up for sale in the next couple of months. Only 500ish miles since rebuild so really just
run in.
Good luck and keep us all informed on how you are getting on.
Cheers
David.
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franky
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| posted on 21/9/11 at 09:35 PM |
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If you use a factory ECU you'll have no emissions worries either.
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