Snuggs
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| posted on 23/10/11 at 04:58 PM |
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How would you vote if given the chance ?
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JoelP
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| posted on 23/10/11 at 05:04 PM |
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reform for me. IMHO we shouldnt have euro courts above our own.
Beware! Bourettes is binfectious.
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britishtrident
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| posted on 23/10/11 at 05:19 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by JoelP
reform for me. IMHO we shouldnt have euro courts above our own.
+1
[I] “ What use our work, Bennet, if we cannot care for those we love? .”
― From BBC TV/Amazon's Ripper Street.
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mark chandler
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| posted on 23/10/11 at 05:42 PM |
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The Empire is long gone, Euro gives us stability but we have to be allowed to manage ourselves so reform.
Pulling out would kill our dying country 
We need to be a bit more French about things, they have the laws forced upon them but only apply when it suits them, we try and comply !
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mookaloid
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| posted on 23/10/11 at 05:44 PM |
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reform as above - we need to get rid of this human rights c**p which stops us deporting foreign criminals 
"That thing you're thinking - it wont be that."
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david_hornet27
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| posted on 23/10/11 at 05:51 PM |
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Waffle alert!!!
We are a tiny little country who are in the fortunate position to be allied with both Europe and the US. As the emerging powers like China and India
grow and become more powerful it is more important than ever to keep both these alliances strong so we as a country still have a say in world
affairs.
I say we stand up for ourselves in Europe yes, but don't forget that in the great scheme of things we are not the powerful nation we once were.
With an increasing part of our nation content to sit on their arse and expect to be fed and watered by the willing workers we will only get weaker and
poorer. We have no oil, no gas, in fact no natural resources we can sell so our only asset is manufacturing (where we have priced ourselves out of
the market), or a skilled workforce which we have but is dwindling.
I do not agree with Europe making our laws, but I do think we need Europe more than it needs us. I have no doubt that our resistance to the Euro and
our 'neither in nor out' stance on Europe is a large part of why we are not well liked by the majority of the continent.
'If everything seems under control you're just not going fast enough' - Mario Andretti
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smart51
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| posted on 23/10/11 at 06:12 PM |
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There is no option of renegotiation. The other 26 will just say no if we asked. The choice is in or out.
Ideally I would want a little less EU but given a straight choice it would have to be "in". There is no future for little countries like
the UK in an ever globalising world. All predictions of the middle of the century show the EU only being a mid sized player in a world dominated by
China, India, USA, Russia and Brazil.
Politically I think we're better waiting a couple of years until the Euro crisis dust settles. There'll probably be less EU appetite for
ever closer union. Either it will be brought to a halt or the EU will be divided into an ever closer core and a wider free trade and travel area.
The UK would be more comfortable in this wider but looser area. A sort of Devo-Max to plagiarise the Scots.
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whitestu
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| posted on 23/10/11 at 06:20 PM |
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The problem with monetary union is that it needs foscal union to work, and fiscal union needs a single government. So if we are to be part of the EU
and the Euro we need to accept that we will give up all sovereignty.
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coozer
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| posted on 23/10/11 at 06:49 PM |
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OUT! I hate this country now, time to clean it up and build a massive wall round it.
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1980 Z750
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Ninehigh
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| posted on 23/10/11 at 07:23 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by whitestu
The problem with monetary union is that it needs foscal union to work, and fiscal union needs a single government. So if we are to be part of the EU
and the Euro we need to accept that we will give up all sovereignty.
True, maybe the United States of Europe is the way to go
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morcus
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| posted on 24/10/11 at 02:27 AM |
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I think we're better of in than out but we should have more choice on what we take from it. The worst thing the EU could do to the UK for not
following legislation is kick us out which would do them more harm than good.
In a White Room, With Black Curtains, By the Station.
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lotusmadandy
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| posted on 24/10/11 at 07:47 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by britishtrident
quote:
Originally posted by JoelP
reform for me. IMHO we shouldnt have euro courts above our own.
+1
+2
Andy
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JoelP
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| posted on 24/10/11 at 08:46 AM |
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the problem with a referendum is that most people, myself included, dont appreciate the full effects of leaving the EU or joining the euro.
Beware! Bourettes is binfectious.
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designer
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| posted on 24/10/11 at 09:08 AM |
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I have voted, even though I live in France.
Why?
Because I fear for the young over in the UK, I think they have had it all taken from them and they will never get the chances we had.
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MikeR
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| posted on 24/10/11 at 12:15 PM |
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I've voted for reform but ....
we don't manufacture because we target the stard and end of the value chain - not the low profit middle.
Reality is we want to leave the EU and reform / re-engergise the current empire countries. If we could bring back the comonwealth as a trading unit
we'd be the head of a powerful group and able to maintain our position of dommience .... unfortunately we're about 10 to 20 years too
late. (friends view & when he evangelises it makes sense).
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britishtrident
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| posted on 24/10/11 at 01:13 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mark chandler
The Empire is long gone, Euro gives us stability but we have to be allowed to manage ourselves so reform.
Pulling out would kill our dying country
We need to be a bit more French about things, they have the laws forced upon them but only apply when it suits them, we try and comply !
How can we pull out the Euro ? we ain't in the Euro zone !
The Euro cannot work unless you have one government and one central bank running the Euro Zone economies as one economy.
Before the Euro was established both the European Exchange rate Mechanism (The snake) and the European Monetary System (EMS) had failed because
the mixture of the currencies of strong and weak economies was prey to the to the manipulation of currency markets. When the Euro was established
the southern european economies were out of synch with the core Euro Zone countries. The result was Greece, Portugal and to a lesser extent Spain
and Italy got towed along by Germany, France et al. Although the southern countries were getting towed along it was actually bad for their
economies they ended up with nothern european social and labour cost but without northern European productivity.
Not all southern european Euro economies are in trouble Malta joined the EU and the Euro Zone about 4 years back but because the exchange rate
was properly synched to the Euro and Malta's economy is in good shape the problems were minimal.
[Edited on 24/10/11 by britishtrident]
[I] “ What use our work, Bennet, if we cannot care for those we love? .”
― From BBC TV/Amazon's Ripper Street.
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owelly
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| posted on 24/10/11 at 03:19 PM |
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I have no idea what you're all taking about as I'm a bit behind with my politics but I'm sure Churchill will be looking after our
interests.
http://www.ppcmag.co.uk
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britishtrident
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| posted on 24/10/11 at 03:27 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by owelly
I have no idea what you're all taking about as I'm a bit behind with my politics but I'm sure Churchill will be looking after our
interests.
Strangely the common market was Churchill's idea, he also proposed union with France in 1940 --- that's the trouble with Maverick
politicians they always come out with the unexpected.
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AdrianH
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| posted on 24/10/11 at 04:18 PM |
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I may well be wrong and for all the wrong reasons but want out. We seem to be the only country that plays by the rules, but would like to see more
support for our own land even if one calls it protectionism.
I believe other countries have done it for years so why not?
Adrian
Why do I have to make the tools to finish the job? More time then money.
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