mcg
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| posted on 30/8/12 at 12:45 PM |
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Vauxhall Engine fitment - follow on thread
Hi Following my previous thread:
Previous thread link
I have been looking to 2.0 redtops. Like anything used on ebay its all a bit tricky to tell if its any good and they seem to be quite sought after.
One of the tricky bits (as everyone knows) is proving engine age, so I am really trying to find something with a V5 I can use.
Anyway - whilst I continue to look, I keep coming across V6 variants which I have to say float my boat, and seem to be quite a bit cheaper than the
redtop. Can anyone tell me (as before) if the following will 1) Fit in my widebody engine bay, 2) mate to the bellhousing that currently links a type
9 to my 8V 20ne Vaux unit, 3) will match fit the shortened sump from the 8v???
Vauxhall Frontera 3.2 V6 Engine. Engine Code 6VD1 | eBay
Asking alot I know!
Been doing a bit of searching, and a lot off the 2.0 redtops that I have seen show approx 132bhp. The v6 linked to is showing approx 202bhp.
I am sure this is all more complicated than I can see, but please enlighten me if you have any thoughts.
Thanks as always
matt
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silky16v
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| posted on 30/8/12 at 12:56 PM |
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2.0 16v redtop engine where 156bhp standard for the 20xe or 150bhp for the c20xe
on a good engine a set of mid cams and TB and after market management will see your 185bhp+ & 150ft-Ib torque
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loggyboy
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| posted on 30/8/12 at 01:19 PM |
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Frontera lump will be no good, its based on an Isuzu unit, not a GM one.
You need a c25XE or C30XE from a cav/cali/omega. they have the standard 'family 2' GM bellhousing bolt pattern. Not sure if the sump will
fit, i severely doubt it will as the engine is only 3clys long, not 4!
The c25 has about 175 bhp iirc, so not much over the 2.0 4cy redtop, it also is heavier.
the 136bhp 2.0 16v engine will be the ecotec (x20xev), mainly fitted to post 1994 cars. A largely identical engine but reworked for better emmisions
required (thats what the C/X stands for at the beginnning of the engine number).
If you want a v5 then you need to hunt for a bargain donor. They crop up now and then but being so popular for nova/corsa etc converstions they arent
always cheap. many years ago the average was 500-600 for an mot failed cav/calibra, but i found one for £200 thru careful and patient hunting.
[Edited on 30-8-12 by loggyboy]
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Rip Van Winkle
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| posted on 31/8/12 at 05:15 PM |
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The C20XE is an awesome unit, I had one a Nova. Just brilliant, loved it, and I'm not alone, which I think is what drives up the price. A proper
red top has an L shaped spark plug cover and will be 150BHP, if it only has 130bhp it will have a straight spark plug cover and be an Ecotec (avoid
like the plague if you're going to use the standard sensors / injection set up. Lots of issues)
A C20XE weighs in at 150kg fully dressed ( alternater, starter, etc i.e.as it'd come out of the car).
A C25XE weighs in at 170kg fully dressed and rather neatly makes 170bhp!
If you want a 3.2l 200bhp motor look at Omegas MV6's and Vectra GSi's ( later ones ) These all mate upto the same box pattern.
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mcg
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| posted on 2/9/12 at 08:45 PM |
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Awsome! Great info - I am hunting hard- will probably post up some possibilities for your inputs.
Thanks alot
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mcg
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| posted on 2/9/12 at 08:56 PM |
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ps. Will an auto donor work? The following is too expensive, but what I mean:
2000 Vauxhall/Opel Omega 3.0i V6 24v Auto MV6 Edn | eBay
Thanks alot
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Originally posted by mcg
Awsome! Great info - I am hunting hard- will probably post up some possibilities for your inputs.
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stevebubs
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| posted on 3/9/12 at 02:56 AM |
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How soon are you wanting to move on this?
I have a 2.5v6 Omega of that vintage on my drive....not been on the road in a few years as I have had company cars since 2009...but I start it up and
move it on a regular basis. Engine is still sweet....but it's an auto, so you'll still need to source a manual flywheel, box etc..
Been trying to think what to do with it, and have been starting to think it's worth more in bits than as a whole...
for personal reasons, it's going to stay in one piece until Jan/Feb next year, but after that it will be most likely gotten rid of one way or
another...
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stevebubs
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| posted on 3/9/12 at 02:58 AM |
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PS I believe 3.0 cams fit into the 2.5/2.6 engine and bring the HP up to pretty much the same levels...
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mcg
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| posted on 3/9/12 at 10:32 AM |
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Hi stevebubs - thanks for the info.
I would like to get this moving straight away so might not be a starter. I was looking for manual cars so that it would be more of a straight forward
transplant if possible.
Interesting about the cams. That would be a perfect addition in future.
Main plan is to be able to mate with existing bell housing and type 9 gearbox. If you plan to do anything earlier with your car, then let me know.
Cheers
Matt
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Originally posted by stevebubs
How soon are you wanting to move on this?
I have a 2.5v6 Omega of that vintage on my drive....not been on the road in a few years as I have had company cars since 2009...but I start it up and
move it on a regular basis. Engine is still sweet....but it's an auto, so you'll still need to source a manual flywheel, box etc..
Been trying to think what to do with it, and have been starting to think it's worth more in bits than as a whole...
for personal reasons, it's going to stay in one piece until Jan/Feb next year, but after that it will be most likely gotten rid of one way or
another...
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