seeing as its almost certainly going through, does anyone else feel like actually doing something about it rather that just moaning in that
oh-so-british way?
Yes... we could do something...
But this has not been a democracy for a long time.... millions marched in protest to the wars.... Millions marched in protest to the fox hunting...
Millions were IGNORED!
I am a law abiding person... but if they start to take the wee wee..... I will fight back... road signs and cameras will start going missing....
I can see a time when everyone has lots of points on their license.....
I dont understand why the govermnent has to meddle in our affairs? So 3000 people die every year on the roads.... so what? Yes its not nice etc...
but its going to happen regardless!
I'm currently trying to figure out a way I can get a hemp bag of manure delivered to number 10 with a letter:
"Hi Gordon, thought you'd like your blulhsit back. We'd like our country back, congratulations on being such an undesirable leader that
even my generation wants an election."
ETA: I agree with Tegwin, I heard theres a bill on the cards which will make it illegal to grow old. 100% of individuals who are old will eventually
die and the policy makers want to try to cut this figure.
[Edited on 22/4/09 by cd.thomson]
setting fire to one with an old tyre looks great fun 
I'll have to give it a go, I've got so many lying around
when I was a kid, we use to set fire to the stolen (not by us and they were wrecked before you start complaining 
) dumped cars in the local quarry,
oh the good old days
[Edited on 22/4/09 by Mr Whippy]
The answer is easy, the "man" wants us to be slower, safer drivers so that's what we do. Organise a national campaign where people driver everywhere at 20Mph and bring the country to a standstill....
50mph it ok have you ever seen the mess when a car hits a van head on on a country road and seen the poor traped 14 year old kid in the front bleed to
death you wont ever forget its last words,i have watched people die a number of times and its not fun a head on at 60mph ,im sure if any of you seen
one you wouldnt be so keen on keeping it 60mph.what if its your wife or kids....
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Originally posted by tegwin
I am a law abiding person... but if they start to take the wee wee..... I will fight back... road signs and cameras will start going missing....
So 3000 people die every year on the roads.... so what?
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When I go to the ballot box I'm pretty sure there aren't going to be any choices I feel will make a difference?
a head on at 50 would be just as bad...think of all the bikers killed at 30.its a risk that you take by getting in a car.
i was thinking what andyh said, organise loads of people to drive really slow, like walking pace, on all the main roads in the country...
then stop and kill every ''safety'' camera we pass
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Originally posted by thunderace
50mph it ok have you ever seen the mess when a car hits a van head on on a country road and seen the poor traped 14 year old kid in the front bleed to death you wont ever forget its last words,i have watched people die a number of times and its not fun a head on at 60mph ,im sure if any of you seen one you wouldnt be so keen on keeping it 60mph.what if its your wife or kids....
The government could so easily reduce the number of deaths on the roads by improving the roads where they know the current design to be dangerous. Instead, they choose the cheaper option and put in draconian speed limits.
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Originally posted by thunderace
50mph it ok have you ever seen the mess when a car hits a van head on on a country road and seen the poor traped 14 year old kid in the front bleed to death you wont ever forget its last words,i have watched people die a number of times and its not fun a head on at 60mph ,im sure if any of you seen one you wouldnt be so keen on keeping it 60mph.what if its your wife or kids....
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Originally posted by thunderace
50mph it ok have you ever seen the mess when a car hits a van head on on a country road and seen the poor traped 14 year old kid in the front bleed to death you wont ever forget its last words,i have watched people die a number of times and its not fun a head on at 60mph ,im sure if any of you seen one you wouldnt be so keen on keeping it 60mph.what if its your wife or kids....
Not sure it will make much difference - many of the NSL country roads that this will apply to, you would be hard pushed to do 50, let alone 60. I live
on an NSL road, but if you do any more than 30 on it you're going to end up in a hedge or up the arse of a tractor.
Nick
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Originally posted by nstrug
Not sure it will make much difference - many of the NSL country roads that this will apply to, you would be hard pushed to do 50, let alone 60. I live on an NSL road, but if you do any more than 30 on it you're going to end up in a hedge or up the arse of a tractor.
Nick
What about the person you run into? Do they get a vote, or do they just have to take their chances as well?
I think Mr Ace might be suggesting not that you stay in bed, but that travelling at a safe speed (whatever that is) might be appropriate, if only to
avoid doing a Prince Naseem on some poor bugger.
None of this is, of course, directly relevant to whether a 50 limit will do anything much about the safety of NSL roads, which it probably won't,
as (a) the limit isn't policed on 97% of our NSL roads, (b) prevailing traffic speeds for cars are under 50 on most of those roads and (c) as
hitting stuff at 50 mph is still pretty dangerous, the effect on risk of any speed reduction is going to be very attenuated.
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Originally posted by coozer
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Originally posted by thunderace
50mph it ok have you ever seen the mess when a car hits a van head on on a country road and seen the poor traped 14 year old kid in the front bleed to death you wont ever forget its last words,i have watched people die a number of times and its not fun a head on at 60mph ,im sure if any of you seen one you wouldnt be so keen on keeping it 60mph.what if its your wife or kids....
I'll take me chance mate, I understand your liberal nanny state opinion there but its not for me. I want to be free to make my own choices, what ever they may be. Going off your rant there we should all stay indoors and not get out of bed!
Was once in hospital with my beloved granny, loved her to bits, she was ace. She had a little problem with an aneurysm that had been troubling her for a few years and needed some attention now.
The conversation went like this...
Doctor:
"She's got an aneurysm that could burst any time Sir, she's 94 so we won't be operating"
Dead by the morning she rests in peace now going to the same place as her daughter, my mother, who suffocated slowly from Motor Neuron Disease a few years before.
So, I'll take me chances on the road at 60mph, if I have an accident that's my fault then I deserve to die thanks.
Its bad driving, not speeding that kills...
There's a vid on youtube somewhere (can't find it atm) where a group of people do an experiment with the motorway. They get 3 cars to drive
side by side at the speed limit. After a few miles the tailback was looooong
Edit: found it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1B-Ox0ZmVIU
[Edited on 22/4/09 by Benzine]
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Originally posted by coozer
Will Cameron make any difference? For example will he repeal these daft laws on behalf of the people? will he get rid of all the pointless traffic lights on roundabouts?
The government are just a bunch of muppets, it's the people pulling the strings that need a reality check.
Target areas that need reduced speed reduction such as built up areas, schools etc, leave the open stretches of A roads and motorways to run
properly.
(When do you ever see a speed camera outside a school?)
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IDL975 said
I think Mr Ace might be suggesting not that you stay in bed, but that travelling at a safe speed (whatever that is) might be appropriate, if only to avoid doing a Prince Naseem on some poor bugger.
Hi, does anyone on here remember when the speed limit was 50 on roads and 60 on duel carrageways.
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Originally posted by hampshe
(When do you ever see a speed camera outside a school?)
When was that then?..... I didnt think you could get a cart horse to go that fast?!?!?!?
Here's a suggestion? Are you capable of writing a reasoned and polite but persuasive arguement? Can you find the email address of your local Labour MP? Would you like to suggest that they may lose votes at the upcoming election if they do this? If plenty of people do this, you can turn the party against an idea. Policies can be dropped if you tackle them before they become law.
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Originally posted by off-road-ham
Hi, does anyone on here remember when the speed limit was 50 on roads and 60 on duel carrageways.
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Originally posted by Benzine
There's a vid on youtube somewhere (can't find it atm) where a group of people do an experiment with the motorway. They get 3 cars to drive side by side at the speed limit. After a few miles the tailback was looooong
Edit: found it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1B-Ox0ZmVIU
[Edited on 22/4/09 by Benzine]
I'm surprised the British police don't do a similar trick with unmarked cars and leave the last outer lane clear, then just film and
prosecute every car that passes them Well, me point was I'm quite healthy and capable of making me own desisions, don't need any one telling what or how to do things.
There's a nice off camber curve near me that nearly tips the car over at 40mph but it has a 60mph limit. Get it?
Me mam and granny both needed help from the authorities but they stood back and did jack shit.
Bad government policies and bad driving on the road!
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Originally posted by idl1975
What about the person you run into? Do they get a vote, or do they just have to take their chances as well?
I think Mr Ace might be suggesting not that you stay in bed, but that travelling at a safe speed (whatever that is) might be appropriate, if only to avoid doing a Prince Naseem on some poor bugger.
None of this is, of course, directly relevant to whether a 50 limit will do anything much about the safety of NSL roads, which it probably won't, as (a) the limit isn't policed on 97% of our NSL roads, (b) prevailing traffic speeds for cars are under 50 on most of those roads and (c) as hitting stuff at 50 mph is still pretty dangerous, the effect on risk of any speed reduction is going to be very attenuated.
quote:
Originally posted by coozer
quote:
Originally posted by thunderace
50mph it ok have you ever seen the mess when a car hits a van head on on a country road and seen the poor traped 14 year old kid in the front bleed to death you wont ever forget its last words,i have watched people die a number of times and its not fun a head on at 60mph ,im sure if any of you seen one you wouldnt be so keen on keeping it 60mph.what if its your wife or kids....
I'll take me chance mate, I understand your liberal nanny state opinion there but its not for me. I want to be free to make my own choices, what ever they may be. Going off your rant there we should all stay indoors and not get out of bed!
Was once in hospital with my beloved granny, loved her to bits, she was ace. She had a little problem with an aneurysm that had been troubling her for a few years and needed some attention now.
The conversation went like this...
Doctor:
"She's got an aneurysm that could burst any time Sir, she's 94 so we won't be operating"
Dead by the morning she rests in peace now going to the same place as her daughter, my mother, who suffocated slowly from Motor Neuron Disease a few years before.
So, I'll take me chances on the road at 60mph, if I have an accident that's my fault then I deserve to die thanks.
Its bad driving, not speeding that kills...
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Originally posted by off-road-ham
Hi, does anyone on here remember when the speed limit was 50 on roads and 60 on duel carrageways.
1974: New speed limit to curb fuel use.
I think it is the gov trying to put spin on it to keep some loby group happy.
If they were to say it was on eco grounds it would be difficault to argue against.
Reducing death - ~I don't think so because somany people are killed because someone does something stupid, probably driving at a speed beyond
their cars, and their, ability thus a collision occurs.
The other big issue here is the plan to fit a lot more 'specs' average speed cameras on all the major A roads to 'police' these
changes rather than rely on the common sense of traffic officers to do it. The new generation of cameras can track average speeds for up to 10miles
quite accurately enough, which would mean only needing to fit one camera at every junction on the major roads affected by the changes.
It is quite blatently a rediculous idea. People drive at 50 in a 60 now to 'be safe' incase theres a camera round the corner. I can just
picture everyone driving at 40 in a 50 for the same reason....imagine the conjestion!
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Originally posted by off-road-ham
Hi, does anyone on here remember when the speed limit was 50 on roads and 60 on duel carrageways.
aye-cause labours just another word for nazi. theyre slowly but surely taking away all freedom of thought or actions.
just think of how many times a day youre told you cant do something...
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Considering the cars are tested at 35mph, reducing the speed by 10 ain't going to do very much if head on crashes are 100mph.
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Originally posted by ashg
it wont be 100mph it will be 50mph. if both cars are going 50mph and hit each other the speed of the crash will be 50mph not 100mph as they cancel each other out.
simple physics.
The problem is the line after national speed limit... "where safe to do so" alot of avoidable accidents are under the national speed limits
but above a safe speed for the conditions layout etc.
If you blanket 50mph on rural roads, most people drive at 50 mph half asleep because well... its a 50 limit, it must be safe to do well... 50. why
look out for all the hazards.......crunch!
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The fact that the speed limit was lower than they were prepared to stick to means that an even lower limit will do nothing but make the situation worse. The best thing is to review each road and put a limit that meets that particular stretch and proper road signs to indicate the hazards.
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Originally posted by ashg
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Considering the cars are tested at 35mph, reducing the speed by 10 ain't going to do very much if head on crashes are 100mph.
it wont be 100mph it will be 50mph. if both cars are going 50mph and hit each other the speed of the crash will be 50mph not 100mph as they cancel each other out.
simple physics.
your having a laugh yeah?! 
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It wont be 100mph it will be 50mph. if both cars are going 50mph and hit each other the speed of the crash will be 50mph not 100mph as they cancel each other out.
I seem to remember from long past that one of the insurance firms stated that every 10mph you reduce your peak speed by reduces the number of
accidents by a factor of 2. I think on an earlier post someone said 27% of fatal accidents occur on the roads affected by this bill, so the number of
lives saved per year would be about 450 IF PEOPLE BOTHER TO STICK TO THE LIMIT. Since noone around here seems to bother with the current speed limits
I doubt it'll make that much difference. Also, in a standard car its pretty difficult to average 50 down the narrow back lanes I travel on -
obviously easy on straighter A and B roads. How many lifetimes will be wasted as extra time sat getting from A to B each year? My journey to work
would increase by about 8 minutes per day (45 miles round trip) - thats 1070 extra hours lost over a 40 year working life!
Hugh
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it wont be 100mph it will be 50mph. if both cars are going 50mph and hit each other the speed of the crash will be 50mph not 100mph as they cancel each other out.
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Originally posted by hughpinder
I seem to remember from long past that one of the insurance firms stated that every 10mph you reduce your peak speed by reduces the number of accidents by a factor of 2. I think on an earlier post someone said 27% of fatal accidents occur on the roads affected by this bill, so the number of lives saved per year would be about 450 IF PEOPLE BOTHER TO STICK TO THE LIMIT.
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Originally posted by A1
aye-cause labours just another word for nazi.
I had a thought on the way home....
The marketing campaign to get the word out about the speed limit changes and physically changing the signs is going to run into the hundreds of
millions of pounds bracket........ THAT is a waste of money.... what is the point??!!
How can two cars passing at 50mph opposed to 60mph make any difference.
Surley one has to be on the wrong side of the road to cause an accident.
Stupidity, not looking, carelessness etc causes accidents !
Hopefully all the sh*t being talked in the houses of parliment will cause a build up of methane gas and blow our current batch of mp's into space
or somthing, then we can get a whole new set
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Originally posted by tegwin
I had a thought on the way home....
The marketing campaign to get the word out about the speed limit changes and physically changing the signs is going to run into the hundreds of millions of pounds bracket........ THAT is a waste of money.... what is the point??!!