So there is plenty of talk about the best type of reverse for BECs for IVA. I was just wondering where would one stand if one removed the reverse gear mechanism post-IVA?

Would it invalidate insurance? Or if you told insurance company would it be OK?

Only reason I ask is that I dont see a completely perfect solution to this problem in the near future and one which will not affect performance and weight.

Thoughts?

Is it a requirements at MOT to have a reverse gear?.... I suspect not....

what kind of reverse system do you have? why not just leave all the bits in and don't use it?

to be honest, i don't know what the problem is?

Weight, if they were clever and just fitted a proper engine then reverse wouldnt be an issue in the first place

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Originally posted by blakep82
what kind of reverse system do you have? why not just leave all the bits in and don't use it?

to be honest, i don't know what the problem is?

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I can see a club of some sort making a tidy profit from loaning out a modified caravan mover.

It sits on the top of the tyre and a roughed up shaft turns the wheel - hey presto, reverse.

If they could fabricate a simple mount that had enough adjustment to fit all IRS (which is most modern 7 kits) framed sevens they would could rent them out at £200 a pop and people would do it to remove the headache. Fit a winch type control which can have the wire routed up and over the boot cover into the "cockpit" and your laughing.

That would be a far easier option than paying more to have a starter motor mechanism fitted with all the faffing only to then have to remove it all afterwatds.

If anyone robs my idea then I want royalties, or at least a few test drives of nice cars

Patent pending and all that crap

hmmm, but for the weight of a bike starter motor and a gear mounted to the diff? just go to the toilet before you go for a drive. that'll balance out the weight

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Originally posted by Miks15
Weight, if they were clever and just fitted a proper engine then reverse wouldnt be an issue in the first place

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Originally posted by blakep82
what kind of reverse system do you have? why not just leave all the bits in and don't use it?

to be honest, i don't know what the problem is?

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I can't see why you would want to remove it afterwards. Gone to all the trouble of fitting it, and how much will it really weigh? Can't see it being as heavy as having a car engine and gearbox in there. So i still think it will be lighter than a CEC. Anyway I shouldn't say anything about CEC v BEC as I am building a BEC but have never driven either.

Pete.

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Originally posted by Dangle_kt
I can see a club of some sort making a tidy profit from loaning out a modified caravan mover.

It sits on the top of the tyre and a roughed up shaft turns the wheel - hey presto, reverse.

If they could fabricate a simple mount that had enough adjustment to fit all IRS (which is most modern 7 kits) framed sevens they would could rent them out at £200 a pop and people would do it to remove the headache. Fit a winch type control which can have the wire routed up and over the boot cover into the "cockpit" and your laughing.

That would be a far easier option than paying more to have a starter motor mechanism fitted with all the faffing only to then have to remove it all afterwatds.

If anyone robs my idea then I want royalties, or at least a few test drives of nice cars

Patent pending and all that crap

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Originally posted by peteday_uk@btinternet.com
I can't see why you would want to remove it afterwards. Gone to all the trouble of fitting it, and how much will it really weigh? Can't see it being as heavy as having a car engine and gearbox in there. So i still think it will be lighter than a CEC. Anyway I shouldn't say anything about CEC v BEC as I am building a BEC but have never driven either.

Pete.

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Originally posted by Dangle_kt
I can see a club of some sort making a tidy profit from loaning out a modified caravan mover.

It sits on the top of the tyre and a roughed up shaft turns the wheel - hey presto, reverse.

If they could fabricate a simple mount that had enough adjustment to fit all IRS (which is most modern 7 kits) framed sevens they would could rent them out at £200 a pop and people would do it to remove the headache. Fit a winch type control which can have the wire routed up and over the boot cover into the "cockpit" and your laughing.

That would be a far easier option than paying more to have a starter motor mechanism fitted with all the faffing only to then have to remove it all afterwatds.

If anyone robs my idea then I want royalties, or at least a few test drives of nice cars

Patent pending and all that crap

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Funnily enough I was talking to the lass on the MEV stand at Detling about the Atomic, which is R1-engined and asked about reverse. She said they use a winch motor - not sure how/where it is mounted, though.

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^ lol would that be allowed? wonder what Mr Iva would say to that

An interesting point with the insurance company angle. If you declared it, and they loaded the premium appropriately, then you should be fine assuming the MOT doesn't mention it (and isn't modified to require reverse after some registration date).

However if you didn't declare the removal then I'd expect them to use it as a reason not to pay out. This would be certain if the accident was caused, in part, due to not having a reverse gear.

To be honest I find the safety aspect pretty compelling, and why it's required in F1 and afaik most motorsport where multiple cars are competing on the same track. If I ever build a BEC it will have reverse fitted permanently.

Simple example, you over cook a damp (patch of diesel if you want) blind bend and end up nose first against a stone wall. Car comes round the corner 2 mins later after you've got out to push it back. Any insurance company will decide not having reverse contributed to the accident and use it as an excuse not to pay if they can.