Took the F27 for it's first MOT today.
Local testing station were helpful but decided they couldn't test it.
They obviously haven't done a Q plate before and after ringing the local VOSA office decided that it needed emission figures on the Reg Doc.
Despite me telling them Q plates only required visual testing on start up and if there weren't any figures stated that's what they should be testing i.e. nothing they felt they couldn't continue!
So apart from trawling the local MOT stations to find someone who knows what to do can anyone please tell me where/who to contact for chapter and verse?
The car was self-build, first reg 13/11/2008 and has a 1984 engine - not that those should matter anyway.
Any suggestions sooner rather than later gratefully received.
Cheers, Pewe

As it was SVA'd in Nov 2008 and therefore registered after that it should have the emmisions limits on the V5 in the notes and those should be the same as when SVA'd whether on a Q, age related plate or new. It seems that DVLA have failed to put it on the V5's of some cars when they've done the registrations (DVLA not knowing their own rules...).
If it's not on the v5 then it should (as a Q plate) be tested as visable smoke only.

Pete, try thames valley MOT in loverstock road area. I know them from my RX7 days.

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Despite me telling them Q plates only required visual testing on start up and if there weren't any figures stated that's what they should be testing i.e. nothing they felt they couldn't continue!

The car was self-build, first reg 13/11/2008 and has a 1984 engine - not that those should matter anyway.

Cheers, Pewe

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Thanks for the replies guys.
Deezee - if you are correct and there are no emissions shown on the Registration document and the VOSA Minister's Approval Certificate (SVA) dated Oct 2008 shows both CO and HC as N/A then what should the MOT station test against?
That's not a rhetorical question - someone must know the answer so I can obtain an MOT.
Cheers, Pewe

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Try Kwikfit Basingstoke (Southern Road, the one in town just off one way system).
Ask to speak to Mike and tell him Dave Garside sent you, He is a petrolhead, has a kit and is very helpful chap. He'll understand and know the rules.

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Hi dont panic i got my q 2008 reg 1985 pinto engined f 27 mot in sept local garage and he knows his stuff has westfield will check with him and look at my mot when i get chance just got in.
Cheers Ali

Pete.....I had mine mot'd and the computer at the test station told the tester what to check it at.It was also printed on the V5....good luck

steve

More useful info - thanks.
There's an interesting section in the MOT Computerisation Manuals under Exhaust Emissions which states that "a very few vehicles may never be able to meet the MOT limits" and that if the owner "has sound supporting evidence the vehicle should be considered exempt from the CO & HC emission requirements"..
Bearing in mind the Volumex engine was a homologation special for Lancia's 037 rally car they were never really intended as a mass volume, road going engine.
Given that VOSA themselves, when they issued the SVA approval certificate, indicated on it CO and HC were "N/A" that might be the answer.
Watch this space.....
And Ali ^ that would be great if you could let me know please.
Cheers, Pewe

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I wish people who don't know the answers didn't answer questions!!!

From the current online testers manual which is accessable by every MOT station in the land

"Vehicles having a Q plate registration when presented for MOT are to be treated as being first used on 1 January 1971"

That mean for emissions visible smoke only.

It is in the section "How to use this manual" - section 3b



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I wish MOT test'ers new the rules and where to look if they dont

Rant over

regards

Agriv8

Russbost, that looks pretty specific - so thanks for that and everyone-else for their input.
Never ceases to amaze me the depth and scale of locostbuilders knowledge.
So it's back to the MOT station tomorrow with the print-out in my hot sweaty .....
Will keep you posted.
Cheers, Pewe

I have never seen a logbook with emissions stated on it on any kit type cars registered after 1998 whether they are a q or an age related plate , MOT tests on cars like ours really needs to be done by people who understand them unfortunately that sort of tester is more likely to fail your car on something inappropriate if he can't even decide what to do with the emissions .If you were any closer I would suggest you drop by and I could test it for you - if you're ever in Gloucestershire give me a shout , again if you do have any prob's call me on 07971 264550 (Julian) and I will speak to them (I am also a site manager as well as being NT)

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Originally posted by russbost
I wish people who don't know the answers didn't answer questions!!!

From the current online testers manual which is accessable by every MOT station in the land

"Vehicles having a Q plate registration when presented for MOT are to be treated as being first used on 1 January 1971"

That mean for emissions visible smoke only.

It is in the section "How to use this manual" - section 3b
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My V5 has emissions stated on it... No idea what they'll do if they are not there! loggyboy is right, and they do now need the emissions written on V5 on recent builds

James

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Originally posted by russbost
I wish people who don't know the answers didn't answer questions!!!

From the current online testers manual which is accessable by every MOT station in the land

"Vehicles having a Q plate registration when presented for MOT are to be treated as being first used on 1 January 1971"

That mean for emissions visible smoke only.

It is in the section "How to use this manual" - section 3b
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SO DO I!!
Sadly, that is a 3rd party website and isnt fully accurate.
If you check the VOSA website, you will find the following:

http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/repository/7.3%20Exhaust%20Emissions%20-%20Spark%20Ignition%20-%20non%20CAT%20Test.pdf

Check the box in the bottom right corner."

Yup, I can read & that certainly does apply to any kitcar which DOESN'T have a Q plate, & yes that may be a 3rd party website, but I can assure you that wording is in the current online manual for MoT stations (I checked today b4 posting!).

Let me make this clear as it has come up several times before


IF THE CAR HAS A Q PLATE THEN IT IS TESTED FOR EMISSIONS AS IF IT IS PRE 1971 - THERE ARE NO EXCEPTIONS TO THIS & ANYTHING WRITTEN ON THE LOGBOOK IS IRRELEVANT

The wording you refer to is applicable ONLY if you can define the age/first use of the vehicle - the meaning of a Q plate is that this information is NOT known - end of!! You can argue about it as much as you like, but this question came up on a recent MoT testers refresher course & I can assure you, you are wrong!

Russbost, you are 100% correct.
VOSA's Local Enforcement Office on Botley helpfully pointed me to the same section in the Intro to the Manual.
Even better news is that via the good ol' boys down at Wyliez Autos in Farley Hill it's booked tomorrow with his local MOT station which by the sound of it knows what it's doing.
Cheers, Pewe

VV Yea and modest too!!!!

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Russbost, you are 100% correct.
VOSA's Local Enforcement Office on Botley helpfully pointed me to the same section in the Intro to the Manual.
Even better news is that via the good ol' boys down at Wyliez Autos in Farley Hill it's booked tomorrow with his local MOT station which by the sound of it knows what it's doing.
Cheers, Pewe

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Seriously tho' I'm not surprised people get confused by it, the emissions section of the manual is where they ought to have printed that section, not tucked away at the start of the manual where no ones going to look, because, let's face it if you've been testing for a few years you're not likely to read the introduction to the manual!

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Originally posted by aerodynamix
I have never seen a logbook with emissions stated on it on any kit type cars registered after 1998 whether they are a q or an age related plate , MOT tests on cars like ours really needs to be done by people who understand them unfortunately that sort of tester is more likely to fail your car on something inappropriate if he can't even decide what to do with the emissions .If you were any closer I would suggest you drop by and I could test it for you - if you're ever in Gloucestershire give me a shout , again if you do have any prob's call me on 07971 264550 (Julian) and I will speak to them (I am also a site manager as well as being NT)

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