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Padstar - 9/1/13 at 08:35 AM

About 5 months ago I purchased the running gear from someone who was stripping their MX5. Part of the deal was that I would get the V5 so that I could use the reg number on my roadster when completed. I filled in the new owner section of the V5 and left with the seller and retained my part.

He planned to scrap the bodywork so I cut out the vin plate from the shell and also took this home with me.

The new V5 has never made it to me and now that I am starting to look at the engine etc I want to make sure I will be able to transfer the plate when complete. How do I do this. Do I need to chase the DVLA now to sort out the change of ownership, get my new V5 then declare the car sorn untill my build is completed?

Or shall I just keep hold of the section of old V5 that I kept untill nearer the time and then transfer saving me the hassle of declaring it sorn each year

40inches - 9/1/13 at 08:42 AM

If you don't SORN it you will get a hefty fine, you need to apply to the DVLA for a V5 ASAP.

Padstar - 9/1/13 at 09:11 AM

So does that mean that when they issue the new V5 I just register as sorn. Then what do I do when I want tore register on my roadster?

loggyboy - 9/1/13 at 09:29 AM

Do you want the acctual plate? or just to use that MX5 as your donor and gain an age related plate based on that reg?

If the former then you will struggle to transfer the plate to the kit as the source car needs to be MoTd (or sorned for no more than a year IIRC). IF the latter then, yes just apply for the v5 and sorn it once the new v5 arrives.

renetom - 9/1/13 at 09:29 AM

Hi
You wont get that reg No or vin No
The V5 tells dvla what the donor is & what year
if you are going for age related plate.

If you absolutely want to keep that specific No
I would imagine you will have to put the No
on a retaining certificate which includes the transfer fee
£80 last time I did it, then they can register it with that no.
we did it , had a private plate on a retainer & they allocated it
to our car as the 1st Reg,
But before any of this you must get the V5 from the donor,& sorn it. (Chase them)
Good luck.
René

[Edited on 9/1/13 by renetom]

Padstar - 9/1/13 at 10:38 AM

Sorry for the confusion it's an age related plate not the actual plate.

So if I chase and get the V5 through then declare it sorn they will issue me with an age related plate when certified?

How do you then dispose ofthe V5 when the build is finished? Is there any problem with holding a V5 for just an engine gearbox and diff?

chrism - 9/1/13 at 10:58 AM

I believe you hand over the old V5 for the donor parts when registering to get an age related plate and the DVLA will remove the donors details from their system, or thats how its supposed to work.

coozer - 9/1/13 at 11:02 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Padstar
Sorry for the confusion it's an age related plate not the actual plate.

So if I chase and get the V5 through then declare it sorn they will issue me with an age related plate when certified?

How do you then dispose of the V5 when the build is finished? Is there any problem with holding a V5 for just an engine gearbox and diff?



Yes, chase the V5, it would seem the guy you bought it of has never sent it back to dvla, thats a fine for him.. then when you get the v5, sorn it.

When you go to register with your V55/5 or 4 whichever, and the V627 you use the V5 as proof of where the donor parts came from. DVLA will keep the V5.

If you dont get the V5 you have nothing to use to register, and, no proof of where the bits came from. Some photo's of the donor car would help as well.

Padstar - 9/1/13 at 12:20 PM

Is there any reason why the DVLA would not send me the V5 given that I have the new owner slip. It has been some time since the putchase

wilkingj - 9/1/13 at 02:02 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Padstar
Is there any reason why the DVLA would not send me the V5 given that I have the new owner slip. It has been some time since the putchase


cos the old owner didnt send his part of the V5 to the DVLA.
there is a form to fill in to sort this.
you need that stub / ticket to send to the dvla with the form.
I strongly suggest you take a photo copy before sending as its your ONLY evidence.

40inches - 9/1/13 at 02:09 PM

quote:
Originally posted by wilkingj
quote:
Originally posted by Padstar
Is there any reason why the DVLA would not send me the V5 given that I have the new owner slip. It has been some time since the putchase


cos the old owner didnt send his part of the V5 to the DVLA.
there is a form to fill in to sort this.
you need that stub / ticket to send to the dvla with the form.
I strongly suggest you take a photo copy before sending as its your ONLY evidence.



This ^^^^exactly, the last car we bought, the previous owner didn't send the V5 back. You should be able to download the form
from DVLA website.

iank - 9/1/13 at 11:16 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Padstar
Is there any reason why the DVLA would not send me the V5 given that I have the new owner slip. It has been some time since the putchase


There are two possible reasons I can think of:

1. V5 wasn't sent off by previous owner - this isn't a real problem as said fill in the form and wait a bit longer.

2. When the previous owner scrapped the body shell there was some id left on it (stamped in chassis number, etched glass, number plates) or the id information was provided on the request of the scrapper (a certificate of destruction is generally what sellers want from the yard). The DVLA then gets informed and the car is scrapped officially. This is something the police push for to prevent ringing and honest scrappers do to avoid trouble with the police.

Does the reg still show up on the DVLA vehicle check, if it does then 1 is most likely, otherwise you might out of luck.

Padstar - 10/1/13 at 07:32 AM

If the 2nd has happened how do I go about things as technically he would have scrapped my car?

iank - 10/1/13 at 08:44 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Padstar
If the 2nd has happened how do I go about things as technically he would have scrapped my car?


Doubt the DVLA would care as the car has been scrapped as far as they are concerned and it becomes your problem.

You could possible take him to court to get any losses back if you have the agreement with him in writing, but to be honest it's difficult to evaluate the loss as you can get a Q plate without the V5 - so the "value" of your loss would be the difference between the final car value given an age related plate rather than a Q. I can't see a court giving you much for that even if they find in your favour.

Padstar - 10/1/13 at 09:40 AM

How does one find out if a car is still registered with the DVLA?

Also as I have the proof of new ownership slip from the V5 when registering would they take this into account and issue me an age related plate?

RedAvon - 10/1/13 at 02:01 PM

Type the reg and make into this url after selecting vehicle enquiry tab. If its shows up then apply for the V5 quickly and SORN it.

Hope that helps
Ian


https://www.taxdisc.direct.gov.uk/EvlPortalApp/app/enquiry?execution=e2s1

[Edited on 10/1/13 by RedAvon]

Padstar - 16/1/13 at 08:47 PM

It shows up so I will get the ownership slip off to them tomorrow. When I get the V5 do I just register sorn until I take it in as my new car? Then do the dvla deal with unregistering the old car and issuing a new age related plate?

loggyboy - 16/1/13 at 09:48 PM

It is possible to get a car 'unscrapped'. Or at least it was possible a few years back. My dad bought a car for parts off a friend who assumed my dad would strip it so sent off the V5 and letter to DVLA to say it had been scrapped, my dad simply applied for the v5 with a covering letter explaining the mistake and they reissued the v5 in his name.

Padstar - 23/4/13 at 12:11 PM

Just got the V5 through - Happy Days.

scudderfish - 23/4/13 at 01:17 PM

Good news. Going back to your original post, once a car is SORNed, it stays that way until it is taxed or scrapped. You don't have to (any more) re SORN it every year.