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rdodger - 25/3/13 at 08:37 PM

As I am nearing the end of my build I am thinking about IVA and registration.

I thought I understood the rules regarding q, age related and new registrations but I keep seeing kits registered as new when they clearly use a type9 gearbox, sierra front/rear hubs, steering column, diff, sometimes new engine sometimes not.

So how is it this happens? Are people finding new sierra parts from somewhere?

Or are they being "creative" with reciepts?

I am using engine, box, column, loom from an mx5
Diff, uprights, rack from a sierra so I guess officially I will be getting a Q reg as I don't have the required 8 points from 1 vehicle.

Any other thoughts?

[Edited on 25/3/13 by rdodger]

big-vee-twin - 25/3/13 at 08:49 PM

A fully refurbished item back to new condition is accepted as a new part

theduck - 25/3/13 at 08:56 PM

You are only allowed 1 refurbished item though.

Confused but excited. - 25/3/13 at 09:03 PM

And that has to be professionally refurbished, with documentary evidence, IIRC.

rdodger - 25/3/13 at 09:03 PM

Reading on the DVLA website I don't see age related plate as being an option for a kit car. The points system appears to be for reconstructed classic cars.

Has this changed or am I missing something?

loggyboy - 25/3/13 at 09:10 PM

I have emailed dvla regarding that and was assured it was still an available route for registering.

plantman - 25/3/13 at 09:16 PM

just done this at shrewsbury dvla i went in after i had passed my iva
I had ALL the documents receipts etc

after i had been passed on to the kit car expert i was asked is it

1. is it a kit answer no

2. is it rebuild on a chassis answer no

3. is it a radicakl altered or a trike answer no

she then went white and said she would get her supervisor.............

after saying she wanted plans and it would after be a Q plate which I told them no she asked if the engine had been reconditioned to a new standard i said no

then we went in the interview room where she told me to go home and write a letter saying ' I have serviced the engine to that reconditioned as new standard'....that way we can fit you in to the 3 options

i asked then to give me an age related plate and they said they couldn't do that

I also asked do you want to see the car it is on a trailer outside 5-6 times they didn't even when i said well i have read you do Oh no we don't ...


2 days later i received a letter asking me to attend a vehicle identity check

[Edited on 25/3/13 by plantman]

loggyboy - 25/3/13 at 09:35 PM

quote:
Originally posted by plantman
just done this at shrewsbury dvla i went in after i had passed my iva
I had ALL the documents receipts etc

after i had been passed on to the kit car expert i was asked is it

1. is it a kit answer no

[Edited on 25/3/13 by plantman]


Surely should have been yes.

adithorp - 25/3/13 at 09:52 PM

quote:
Originally posted by plantman
just done this at shrewsbury dvla i went in after i had passed my iva
I had ALL the documents receipts etc

after i had been passed on to the kit car expert i was asked is it

1. is it a kit answer no

2. is it rebuild on a chassis answer no

3. is it a radicakl altered or a trike answer no

she then went white and said she would get her supervisor.............

after saying she wanted plans and it would after be a Q plate which I told them no she asked if the engine had been reconditioned to a new standard i said no

then we went in the interview room where she told me to go home and write a letter saying ' I have serviced the engine to that reconditioned as new standard'....that way we can fit you in to the 3 options

i asked then to give me an age related plate and they said they couldn't do that

I also asked do you want to see the car it is on a trailer outside 5-6 times they didn't even when i said well i have read you do Oh no we don't ...


2 days later i received a letter asking me to attend a vehicle identity check

[Edited on 25/3/13 by plantman]


Your problem is, No 1 should have been "Is it an amateur built vehicle"... which it is. Many people (inc DVLA) will often refer to that as a "kit car". DVLA are hard enough to deal with without making life hard for yourself, being pedantic saying it's not a kit car.

Yes Roger, some people are misleading DVLA about the use of all new parts. The problem with that is if they don't believe you you get a Q. The fall back if they don't isn't an age related as that needs a different application form. If you don't have a single donor though you've not a lot to loose.

rdodger - 25/3/13 at 10:00 PM

Well I guess I will fill the forms in and see what happens.

Is it still the case I need 8 points?

plantman - 25/3/13 at 10:00 PM

they did ask me is it an amateur built vehicle which i did say yes

what will be interesting to see what reg number they give me

DavidM - 25/3/13 at 10:19 PM

To get a new plate the car must be built using all new components. One component can be reconditioned to original manufacturer specification. Sometimes DVLA misinterpret their own rules which often results in anomalies.

To get an age related plate you need two major components from the donor vehicle and a "new chassis from a specialist manufacturer". If you make the chassis yourself then officially you will need to prove that it is a new chassis and that you are a specialist manufacturer. I did this when I registered my car although I had to submit photos and receipts to Swansea.

Anything else gets a Q plate.

There is no points system unless you are using the donor's original chassis.

Everything is detailed in DVLA leaflet INF26

www.dft.gov.uk/dvla/forms/~/media/pdf/leaflets/inf26.ashx

HTH

David

plantman - 26/3/13 at 06:00 AM

thats where it was intersting i had no donor vehicle i just bought all the bits

tango man - 26/3/13 at 06:51 AM

i got a 13 reg on 1st march all new parts apart from engine loom and clocks .just asked if it was reconditioned i told them it was didnt even ask to see car but i later noticed a few wks later they ad put engine size as 1998 instead of 998 waiting for documents to arrive now but they are pretty usless at dvla

Slimy38 - 26/3/13 at 08:16 AM

quote:
Originally posted by DavidM

To get an age related plate you need two major components from the donor vehicle and a "new chassis from a specialist manufacturer".


This bit worries me. I was after an age related plate so I was going for using as much off one donor as possible. But I'm also making my own chassis, and I doubt I could be classed as a specialist manufacturer.

Is this 'specialist manufacturer' bit a new thing?

mcerd1 - 26/3/13 at 10:46 AM

quote:
Originally posted by rdodger
Is it still the case I need 8 points?

you never needed 8 points for a age related plate - as others have said all you need is two major components





the 8 points thing is for keeping the donors exact registration - and you can only do that if you keep its own chassis or replace its chassis with a new one of the same spec.

theduck - 26/3/13 at 11:40 AM

What counts as two major components? I'm not using donor engine but everything else is from the donor.

robinj66 - 26/3/13 at 11:56 AM

Have a look HERE - the form V627/1 lists the "major components"

Acc8braman - 26/3/13 at 01:03 PM

quote:
Originally posted by robinj66
Have a look HERE - the form V627/1 lists the "major components"


So I have a question:

2 major components for me = Axle and Transmission.

Now, my donor is a R21 - this uses a TransAxle - so can I still get away with these classed as separate items as its not in the list?

adithorp - 26/3/13 at 01:48 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Acc8braman
quote:
Originally posted by robinj66
Have a look HERE - the form V627/1 lists the "major components"


So I have a question:

2 major components for me = Axle and Transmission.

Now, my donor is a R21 - this uses a TransAxle - so can I still get away with these classed as separate items as its not in the list?


Probably. The bods at DVLA aren't experts in car design. They list front axle and who knows what they count as that. If you just list them both as Renault you'll probably be fine.

mcerd1 - 26/3/13 at 01:53 PM

you can only count the axles if you use both the front and the back together


I always thought that axle included the hubs and that transmission included the diff (assuming its not a live axle) - but I could be wrong here as I've never seen a clear definition...




my plan is to try use engine, transmission and axles for an age related plate - if they don't accept one of them at least I've still got the other two


[Edited on 26/3/2013 by mcerd1]

theduck - 26/3/13 at 02:07 PM

Cheers for the link. So I could claim transmission (gearbox and diff) and steering assembly (wheel column and rack)? If so I'm now not sure which to go for, age related or Q. I liked Q based on visible smoke only at MOT time...

James - 26/3/13 at 03:22 PM

quote:
Originally posted by DavidM
To get a new plate the car must be built using all new components. One component can be reconditioned to original manufacturer specification. Sometimes DVLA misinterpret their own rules which often results in anomalies.

To get an age related plate you need two major components from the donor vehicle and a "new chassis from a specialist manufacturer". If you make the chassis yourself then officially you will need to prove that it is a new chassis and that you are a specialist manufacturer. I did this when I registered my car although I had to submit photos and receipts to Swansea.

Anything else gets a Q plate.

There is no points system unless you are using the donor's original chassis.

Everything is detailed in DVLA leaflet INF26

www.dft.gov.uk/dvla/forms/~/media/pdf/leaflets/inf26.ashx

HTH

David



Agreed 100%. INF26 is your bible for this.

Our cars come under section 5.

Cheers,
James

plantman - 26/3/13 at 07:10 PM

you are right this is the bible www.dft.gov.uk/dvla/forms/~/media/pdf/leaflets/inf26.ashx

in fact they were using it shrewsbury dvla to try and figure out what to do with me

unless i have missed something and the twits at the dvla have missed something if you have built your own car then you do not fit any of the sections