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New reg or carry over donor reg?
John.Taylor - 29/3/06 at 12:19 PM

I'm using a singe Sierra donor and more than likely, an MK Indy deluxe starter kit. As I'm going to be using the engine, box, prop, diff, hubs, etc. off the Sierra, I assume that this will be enough to carry over the original 1989 F-registration?

I have noticed quite a few people posting recently who have been given 'new' registrations. What would I have to do to get a new 06-reg (more likely to be a 56 by the time I've finished)?


ned - 29/3/06 at 12:23 PM

you will only get an age related plate - never the donor plate.

for an 06 plate you need to have receipts for all new or reconditioned parts, youwould also have to meet current emissions standards.

Ned.


RazMan - 29/3/06 at 12:25 PM

Technically you can only get a new registration if you have all new components in your build (you will have to submit invoices to prove this) You are allowed to have one donor component, usually the engine, which must be reconditioned to 'as new' condition to qualify. Otherwise you get an age related plate

[Edited on 29-3-06 by RazMan]


John.Taylor - 29/3/06 at 12:40 PM

Looks like I'm on the F-reg then.

Ned, are you saying that I will get a random F-reg rather than the plate off my Sierra? Gonna have to add new number plates to my ever increasing budget if so


zxrlocost - 29/3/06 at 12:41 PM

mate as above youll get an age related plate

getting a new plates is a bit of hassle Id say my indy has cost £9k and I still wont get a new plate


ned - 29/3/06 at 01:45 PM

yes, it will be a random age related f-plate by the sounds of it, not the one from your donor.

Ned.


Fozzie - 29/3/06 at 02:04 PM

Yup, Neds absolutely correct! ........random age related, NOT donor registration.

Fozzie


smart51 - 29/3/06 at 02:26 PM

You can get an 06 / 56 reg plate by using an 06/56 donor. Use an engine / gearbox from a newish bike and you're away. Jou just need to find someone who has bought and totaled a brand new super bike.


robertst - 29/3/06 at 02:35 PM

talking about legal stuff. (sorry if im hijacking the post)
i am getting kinda paranoid about my donor.
i know the law is different in the UK than in Spain, but i guess most comes from the EU anyway.
when i bought my donor, he gave me the keys and documents and i gave him the money. thats about it... now, since we didnt change the registration or did a contract.... im worrying that by the time i strip the car, there will be no proof that i own the car... i know that to scrap it i can do it with a written authorization from the owner or person registered to the car (in both cases not me)... so am i screwed? or is it just a figment of my imagination?

thanks (again sorry if i hijacked the post )


wilkingj - 29/3/06 at 09:22 PM

Whats wrong with a "Q" Plate... they only get Visual Smoke test at MoT's. A "F" plate will have to conform to the emissions for a F Plate car.

There are definate advantages of a Q Plate with older engines.


Hellfire - 30/3/06 at 11:32 AM

Geoff, thats not quite correct. Any kit car with a registration prefix prior to 1st August 1998 (ie, S) will get a visual smoke test come MOT time.

Phil


Hellfire - 30/3/06 at 11:35 AM

Here's the requirements for MOT.

A - If your car has an AGE-RELATED plate he’ll assume that the engine is the same age as the plate and do the test accordingly. However, if your age-related plate refers to pre-Aug 1998 (‘S’ Prefix) you will continue to get the visible smoke test for the life of the vehicle REGARDLESS of the age of the engine. Remember though that this does NOT include PERSONALISED plates as in this case the vehicle will continue to be tested according to its age and NOT the vehicle registration number.

B - If your vehicle has a CURRENT/NEW plate or one that is after 1st August 1998, you will get a ‘basic’ emissions test, which is a basic check conducted to set limits carried out BEFORE the ‘CAT’ test. If you pass…..GREAT. If you fail though you’ll be subject to a full ‘by-the-book’ CAT test, plus remember that if you fail this you’ll also fail the MOT. Of course there are plenty of CURRENT/NEW registered kits running around with reconditioned engines so in this instance you will have to prove the age of the engine to the MOT tester. Ideally you should have a copy of your SVA MAC ‘pass’ certificate, which will be sufficient. Otherwise you will have to get a letter from the engines manufacturer stating clearly what year the engine was made.

C - Cars with a ‘Q’ plate are regarded as being of uncertain age so therefore will continue to be subject to the visible smoke test.

Phil


Broadside Motorsport - 30/3/06 at 05:43 PM

So let me get this right,

If I build a car, completely from parts I've made or have bought new, appart from the engine, which is reconditioned to "new" condition, does this mean I can get an 06/56 plate? Does this then mean I have to pass the CAT test in an MOT even if the engine I fit doesn't have a CAT as standard?

On another note, does buying a custom propshaft count as new or buying a reconditioned to new diff count if I had reciepts or would I have to go and buy say a quaife item and have reciepts or does it have to be a "factory" ie ford item brand new?


Hellfire - 31/3/06 at 12:16 PM

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Originally posted by Broadside Motorsport
So let me get this right,

If I build a car, completely from parts I've made or have bought new, appart from the engine, which is reconditioned to "new" condition, does this mean I can get an 06/56 plate? Does this then mean I have to pass the CAT test in an MOT even if the engine I fit doesn't have a CAT as standard?

On another note, does buying a custom propshaft count as new or buying a reconditioned to new diff count if I had reciepts or would I have to go and buy say a quaife item and have reciepts or does it have to be a "factory" ie ford item brand new?


Yes. Providing you have all the receipts for the new parts, including receipts for the parts used to recondition your engine to an 'as new' standard, then there is no reason why you shouldn't get a new plate. In accordance with the MOT rules, this obviously means that you will have to pass the MOT using the basic emissions test.

If you buy a custom propshaft, it obviously depends whether it is a modified prop or indeed new. Your receipt should reflect this same goes for the diff. Remember though, that you are only allowed to use 1 major reconditioned component. The engine is quite easy to get round and the diff is usually the stumbling block in the process. At the end of the day, it all comes down to how knowledgable your DVLA inspector is on kitcar builds. If he see's that you have a Sierra diff fitted but have a receipt for a Quaiffe diff, then you're rumbled. However, some Inspectors wouldn't even know the difference.

Phil


Broadside Motorsport - 31/3/06 at 08:06 PM

So if i do fit a new diff from quaife thats ok then. The prop can be sorted cos I know a place that sells custom props and driveshafts to spec so a reciept wil be with that anyway. Sound, cheers for the advice guys