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Age related plates
joneh - 26/6/06 at 05:02 PM

I guess this has probably been posted before, so don't moan! But I've been searching for answers to how many bits you need from a donor to get an age related plate. The only question I have, does anyone know of a list of what constitutes a "major component"?

46. A kit-converted vehicle is a registered vehicle whose general appearance has changed from the original specification when a new monocoque bodyshell/chassis is used together with 2 major components from a donor vehicle. DVLA assigns a new registration mark based on the age of the donor vehicle or, where there are insufficient parts from a donor vehicle or the original registration number is not known, the vehicle will be allocated a ‘Q’ registration mark. The vehicle is regarded as being first registered in its new identity and, depending on the vehicle type, ESVA/SVA/MSVA is required as part of the registration process.

http://www.dvla.gov.uk/public/consult/summary_inspection_procedures.htm

[Edited on 26/6/06 by joneh]

BKLOCO - 26/6/06 at 05:41 PM

Engine
G. Box
Rear axle
Front axle
Steering
Body
Chassis
Suspension

perm any 2 from 8

Or present a V5

Hellfire - 26/6/06 at 05:42 PM

The 'Built Up Vehicle Inspection Report' V627/1, list major components for a car as;

Chassis/Body Shell
Axles
Transmission
Steering Assembly
Engine
Suspension (front and back)

These areas are very grey and as such are open to interpretation. Use this to your advantage and let the authorities responsible tell you if they don't agree with your interpretation. We built a BEC and listed 3 Major Components from the donor vehicle (2, 3 & 4 on the list) and obtained an age related plate.

Phil


[Edited on 26-6-06 by Hellfire]

oliwb - 26/6/06 at 06:21 PM

I got lucky with the DVLA inspection, the guy obviously had no clue what he was looking at. My v5 donor was for a 1970 Cortina, however, my car uses sierra running gear eg. pinto, type 9, rear axle and suspension, steering column, brakes etc etc etc. Guy just had a look and nodded. I think you can just put that everything came from the donor and claim ignorance if it back-fires! Oli.

richardR1 - 26/6/06 at 08:26 PM

I basically did the same as the Hellfire crew and also got an age related plate.

Winston Todge - 27/6/06 at 07:05 AM

Sorry to butt in...

But people seem to want a age related plate over a Q. Why is that?

Do the emissions change depending on whether it's age related or not?

I heard that Q platers only have to pass visible smoke after three years. But the age related platers have to pass the same test as at SVA? Is this bow locks?

Thanks for any help,

Chris.

Marcus - 27/6/06 at 08:12 AM

AFAIK, emissions are the same for ALL kits, ie visible smoke, regardless of age related or Q. (newer post '95 may be different though 'cos of the cat)

DarrenW - 27/6/06 at 08:39 AM

Age related vs Q seems to be matter of choice. My DVLA were reluctant to issue Q - i didnt complain. i used everything bar engine and gearbox from donor and had V5 as reciept. Engine and box came from different Sierra (i didnt tell them that) and even though engine number didnt match they said it was OK (apparently lots of old cars have engine swaps and dont change the numbers over). They even said they could issue new V5 with no engine number on it if needs be!!

DVLA seem to be quite happy if it looks like a car and it looks like the major components came from the donor V5. They are not Forensic scientists so as log as it is all above board and no stolen bits used you will be OK.

02GF74 - 27/6/06 at 10:08 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Marcus
AFAIK, emissions are the same for ALL kits, ie visible smoke, regardless of age related or Q. (newer post '95 may be different though 'cos of the cat)


I thnk you're right; as below in articl ... even tho' my garage said Q plate is visible only

SVA emission
SVA emission

[Edited on 27/6/06 by 02GF74]

Hellfire - 27/6/06 at 11:55 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Winston Todge
Sorry to butt in...

But people seem to want a age related plate over a Q. Why is that?

Do the emissions change depending on whether it's age related or not?

I heard that Q platers only have to pass visible smoke after three years. But the age related platers have to pass the same test as at SVA? Is this bow locks?

Thanks for any help,

Chris.


Chris,

age related plates are transferrable, whereas Q plates are not.

Emission testing at SVA is quite different to emission testing at MOT. Most people know what the SVA requirements are. MOT rules are;

The MOT tester will take the age of the vehicle from the registration plate and also assume that this is the date on which it was first used.

A - If your car has an AGE-RELATED plate he’ll assume that the engine is the same age as the plate and do the test accordingly. However, if your age-related plate refers to pre-Aug 1998 (‘S’ Prefix) you will continue to get the visible smoke test for the life of the vehicle REGARDLESS of the age of the engine. Remember though that this does NOT include PERSONALISED plates as in this case the vehicle will continue to be tested according to its age and NOT the vehicle registration number.

B - If your vehicle has a CURRENT/NEW plate or one that is after 1st August 1998, you will get a ‘basic’ emissions test, which is a basic check conducted to set limits carried out BEFORE the ‘CAT’ test. If you pass, GREAT. If you fail though you’ll be subject to a full ‘by-the-book’ CAT test, plus remember that if you fail this you’ll also fail the MOT. Of course there are plenty of CURRENT/NEW registered kits running around with reconditioned engines so in this instance you will have to prove the age of the engine to the MOT tester. Ideally you should have a copy of your SVA MAC ‘pass’ certificate, which will be sufficient. Otherwise you will have to get a letter from the engines manufacturer stating clearly what year the engine was made.

C - Cars with a ‘Q’ plate are regarded as being of uncertain age so therefore will continue to be subject to the visible smoke test.

Hope that helps

Phil