DISCUSS!
IVA is Spanish VAT, whereas SVA is a UK vehicle testing process
You have done your homework thats a fact!
Individual Vehicle Approval verses Single Vehicle Approval.....
Hmmm... well, AFAIK there is nothing officially agreed yet on the IVA, so nothing published, only supposition.
I take it from the first word of each, Individual and Single, (means the same), until VOSA actually publish something definite about it, it is
'business as usual'.....?
Fozzie 
Ta tks 
Fozzie
i placed the docs in my photo archive unther IVA
doesn't work, can't download them.....
Nope nor for me 
From what I've read elsewhere, the SVA will come to an end somewhere near end of April next year, IIRC, to coincide with the reg plate changes. It will then be replaced with the IVA, which as far as anyone can tell so far is business as usual, but with various EU reg number in it rather than "seat belts must be of an appropriate type" and so on. Oh, and you need a horn now too!
I only worry about the exhaust and emission rules.
If the provide certificates and expensive testing it will become very very hard to get an approval.
But a third brake-light with e-marking ok.
More noise reduction ok.
A reverse ok.
And ABS will not! be the fact because a EG type approval does also not ask ABS
So please .... do not worry and scream untill we KNOW how the IVA will be
Indeed, they can't ask for ABS since no car actually needs it. The only other things I've heard about are for more official proof of things like engine age, max power and at what revs etc. More closing loop holes that the test centres know about anyway rather than altering the test fundamentally.
I'm sorry but what a load of scaremongering b*llocks these threads are!!!
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Originally posted by D Beddows
I'm sorry but what a load of scaremongering b*llocks these threads are!!!
and a plastic fuel tank and a reverse gear..... and thats just so far AND all completely allegedly because no one ACTUALY knows anything at all! - if
you have a mind to you could come up will all sorts of scary ideas from that 140 odd page EU Directive PDF and none of them could be what actually
happens! 
Fair enough, but the plastic tank bit is incorrect. All they are trying to do is remove some of the areas where there is a high(er) risk of things going wrong, so plastic tanks have to be E marked or similar, whilst ally tanks are still fine.
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Originally posted by D Beddows
and a plastic fuel tank and a reverse gear..... and thats just so far AND all completely allegedly because no one ACTUALY knows anything at all! - if you have a mind to you could come up will all sorts of scary ideas from that 140 odd page EU Directive PDF and none of them could be what actually happens!
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Originally posted by iank
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Originally posted by D Beddows
and a plastic fuel tank and a reverse gear..... and thats just so far AND all completely allegedly because no one ACTUALY knows anything at all! - if you have a mind to you could come up will all sorts of scary ideas from that 140 odd page EU Directive PDF and none of them could be what actually happens!
Ah, you missed the document. It's not the EU directive we're reading.
Look in tks's photo archive and download the IVA docs. Convert jpg to doc.
The document is the draft bIVA from vosa.
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Originally posted by Fozzie
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Originally posted by iank
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Originally posted by D Beddows
and a plastic fuel tank and a reverse gear..... and thats just so far AND all completely allegedly because no one ACTUALY knows anything at all! - if you have a mind to you could come up will all sorts of scary ideas from that 140 odd page EU Directive PDF and none of them could be what actually happens!
Ah, you missed the document. It's not the EU directive we're reading.
Look in tks's photo archive and download the IVA docs. Convert jpg to doc.
The document is the draft bIVA from vosa.
Well me pooter wont download those files, so I cannot change the extensions.....
However I have spent ages looking on VOSA and cannot find anything that remotely refers to our type of cars!
If the title of one of tks documents is a clue....(M1-N1)...then that is for type approval.......turn key, (low volume) which does not include our kits/kit conversions....as each one is 'bespoke' and 'different'.........however I am only guessing, and although I SVA'd 4 years ago now, I would still like to know!
Has any one got the actual link? because until I see it on VOSA or the DfT I think the guessing games are pointless tbh.
Fozzie
Here is the doc file - just had a thought that it should be attachable
Thanks Ian...
Fozzie
I've just had a quick read through the document and it looks very similar to the SVA and although there is a reference to reverse gear I
can't see where it says that every car must have a reverse.
I can't see where there is much to worry about for our cars more of a worry would be for trailers and caravans by the looks of it.
[Edited on 1/3/08 by Schrodinger]
No I can see very little that has changed since the 2004 edition.... but again.....just a quick glance through, but nothing was glaringly obvious!
Yes 'our' cars do seem to fall in the M1 category...again I glanced quickly through the 'definitions', saw the picture of the
camper van next to M1, and thought our cars couldn't be included in the same category......seems I was wrong....
Anyway link for the 'definition of vehicles categories'
DfT linky
Fozzie
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Indeed, they can't ask for ABS since no car actually needs it
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Originally posted by omega 24 v6
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Indeed, they can't ask for ABS since no car actually needs it
Well think again mate. Every articulated trailer for years has HAD to have an abs system fitted. Likewise they don't necessarily need it to stop either but it is a must
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Originally posted by Schrodinger
I've just had a quick read through the document and it looks very similar to the SVA and although there is a reference to reverse gear I can't see where it says that every car must have a reverse.
I can't see where there is much to worry about for our cars more of a worry would be for trailers and caravans by the looks of it.
[Edited on 1/3/08 by Schrodinger]
nahhh
Yes, BIG trailers have had to have ABS for some time, but the point is that passenger cars (M1) do not HAVE to have it, and until it's included
the the EU type-approval directives as compulsory it can't be included in IVA.
The ABS thing is not true its like a heater...
If fitted then it must comply with a directive....
etc. etc.
I agree ref scaremongering. Better to get the official nod. I have some friends in high places that have given me some snipets for things that will
affect our cars;
Windscreens compulsory.
No part of the bodywork can turn with the steering - ie front wings must be attached to the main body tub.
No mention of ABS but must be discs all round. Main actuator operating a single cylinder.
Stricter noise regs. Engines limited to a red line of 8K max. You will probs get away with a bike engine as long as its max revs are limited.
Exhaust system must be covered by bodywork and exit the rear of the car.
Tyres must have legal tread.
Horns must be fitted and working.
Electrical system signed off by auto electrician.
Cars without IVA cannot be driven on public highway to a pre-arranged test (ie only reistered and taxed vehicles on road)
IVA lasts 12 months before MOT required.
All very doable imho. Nowt to worry about. Nothing as scary as when they first brought in SVA.
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Originally posted by DarrenW
No mention of ABS but must be discs all round. Main actuator operating a single cylinder.
Stricter noise regs. Engines limited to a red line of 8K max. You will probs get away with a bike engine as long as its max revs are limited.
Exhaust system must be covered by bodywork and exit the rear of the car.
Electrical system signed off by auto electrician.
I think he was joking
Couldnt resist
Why not wait till we know for sure. When they brought SVA in wasnt there a period of time where older kits could be registered without? I very much
doubt that the UK government could effect a smooth changeover from one system to another within days. They will probs announce it for implementation
on x months time with extension for kits currently in build if you register yours as such first.
They have so many types of vehicle to consider and so many small industries to appease that it will take a wee while to finalise all details. Lets
just hope the kit car worl giants make their voice heard at the appropriate time if some small but significant details are overlooked.
SVA wasnt so bad was it - IVA is probs only a natural evoloution of it.
ive just read through the draft IVA document, and whilst nothing obvious jumps out as a point of major concern it is clear that several EEC and UNECE
regulations are referenced. Hopefully the final copy will be expanded to include those sections of other regulations.
I havent cross referenced to the SVA book, cant remember if that simply quotes other regs as well or also explains them in summary form.
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Originally posted by DarrenW
Couldnt resist
Why not wait till we know for sure. When they brought SVA in wasnt there a period of time where older kits could be registered without? I very much doubt that the UK government could effect a smooth changeover from one system to another within days. They will probs announce it for implementation on x months time with extension for kits currently in build if you register yours as such first.
They have so many types of vehicle to consider and so many small industries to appease that it will take a wee while to finalise all details. Lets just hope the kit car worl giants make their voice heard at the appropriate time if some small but significant details are overlooked.
SVA wasnt so bad was it - IVA is probs only a natural evoloution of it.
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Originally posted by DarrenW
ive just read through the draft IVA document, and whilst nothing obvious jumps out as a point of major concern it is clear that several EEC and UNECE regulations are referenced. Hopefully the final copy will be expanded to include those sections of other regulations.
I havent cross referenced to the SVA book, cant remember if that simply quotes other regs as well or also explains them in summary form.