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McLannahan - 10/5/10 at 04:32 PM

Gutted....

Not that anyone was much better but makes me sick to think Brown gets his own way again, even if he is leaving....

McLannahan - 10/5/10 at 04:38 PM

Or maybe not? That'll teach me to walk in halfway through the BBC newsflash...

Bet it goes his way still though...

DRC INDY 7 - 10/5/10 at 04:41 PM

Gutted why

anything that keeps the tories out is good in my book stuck up tossers

McLannahan - 10/5/10 at 04:50 PM

I wanted a change - Not really Tory and not really Lib Dems but didn't want Labour!

Sick of Brown and everything creeping up, squeezing me more and more every month.

It's a bonus he's going though - not soon enough!

theconrodkid - 10/5/10 at 04:51 PM

bye bye gormless,and dont slam the door on your way out.the mess he has made of this country the wall would prob fall down.

Jon Ison - 10/5/10 at 05:09 PM

I really think some of you guys need to look beyond the TV news and trumped up press, Gordon as his faults for sure and I'm glad he as done what he as but for Christ sake take a look around the world, actually take a look closer to home, Greece for example with other European countries to follow. Its not a British problem its world wide, and be fair, we have stood up better than most ?

Remove the rose (blue) tinted glass's for once in your life's and look beyond the popular press. Lemmings springs to mind.

JoelP - 10/5/10 at 05:15 PM

+1 to mr ison. Things could be a hell of a lot worse now.

Paul (Notts) - 10/5/10 at 05:20 PM

During the time Labour has been in power This country has seen a massive improvment in education, The Health service has never been better ( yes still lots to improve ) and I have never been better placed finacially.

Yes I pay more Tax BUT I get get better security in life.

I still remember the last two Conservative governments.

Paul

turbodisplay - 10/5/10 at 05:25 PM

The thing is how can anyone like labour when they are introducing id cards via the back door. in less than 10 years we will have id cards under labour. Hardly left wing is it? what would the fines be if you don`t have it on you?
Gordon brown will still want to spend even though we have no money - granted that plan has not failed so far, but do you want to end up like Greece?

Plus even with lib dem seats they are still short of a majority by 11 seats, they still need two more parties to joint them. Hardly a fair govenment is it?

Darren

Jon Ison - 10/5/10 at 05:26 PM

The truth is the rest of the western world is in the same boat,

Now with dave able to point the finger at brown & the press backing up is every word then British Joe public should have put dave in with a 300 majority, enough saw through this but where now left with this little mess.

Look at dave running to the Lib Dems now, and puppet billy to, not much principle in the men now eh ? There like oil and water.

See my post yesterday, Octoberish.

GMPMotorsport - 10/5/10 at 05:34 PM

Bye Bye Gordon you will be missed (not)

Mark Allanson - 10/5/10 at 05:40 PM

Until recently in Cornwall, we had several local councils, and a plan was proposed to combine them into a single county council so a postal vote was taken and 68% of the population voted against it

We now have a unitary council

More people voted for a Conservative Government than any other party

We are now going to have another Labour Government (probably)

Is there any point voting in this country?

Andi - 10/5/10 at 05:42 PM

Help me out here a bit!

Global recession?
If everyones lost their money, then where did it go. In the bin?

Surely someone has it

nitram38 - 10/5/10 at 05:45 PM

Well the last Tory government saw me without work, lose my house, bankrupt, 10 yrs rebuilding my life, 2 yr hospital waiting list, poor school buildings, no after school clubs, no nurserys, poor childcare.
Under Labour I've stayed in work, my childrens school has helped them become A students, hospital waiting lists average 8 weeks, gp surgery now open saturdays and late nights, walk in clinics, my local labour MP got a railway station built nearby, scrap cars removed from our streets.

I now dread cuts to all our services and unemployment under the Tories. My wifes job at a local school will be at risk.

The "I'm alright Jack mentality" will soon be back as they get themselves directorships and contracts for their own companies.

Sure if you earn £100k plus, vote for them.

bi22le - 10/5/10 at 05:59 PM

Im aginst Tory, we have nothing in common. I just hope that if the country want change and they promote a fiar, happy and genuine Britain then everybody will feel they have control again. I will then live under there control.

I think that Gorden has had a little bit of a ruff ride. He produced one of the most profitable and exciting times ever seen by Britan. The banks got greedy (I know Gorden should of restricted it earlier) and now the world has slumped. He got given a disaster waiting to happen by Tony Blair.

Final thing to consider. Nobody gives him credit for the scrappage scheme. It worked really well and saved thousands of jobs. He has no personality because he is a thinker and a chancellor not a leader. He is the best person to get us out of this mess. Not some newbie!

My 2ps worth.

Dangle_kt - 10/5/10 at 06:03 PM

I think the truth is, no matter who was in charge we would be in the same situation.

Paul TigerB6 - 10/5/10 at 06:09 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Paul (Notts)
During the time Labour has been in power This country has seen a massive improvment in education, The Health service has never been better ( yes still lots to improve ) and I have never been better placed finacially.


And done to a certain extent on borrowed money that the next government will have to try and pay back on top of the ballooning interest payments!!

linky

Before anyone says thats just a paper's view, i've seen the same story internally through my employer's - a Financial Institution with approx £25 billion under management.

No doubt Labour will be slating whoever is leading when they are forced into cutbacks within a few months

Hugh_ - 10/5/10 at 06:11 PM

quote:
Originally posted by McLannahan
I wanted a change - Not really Tory and not really Lib Dems but didn't want Labour!

Sick of Brown and everything creeping up, squeezing me more and more every month.

It's a bonus he's going though - not soon enough!


It doesnt matter who gets in, whether its a Lib-Lab alliance, the tories, or a Tory-Lib Dem alliance; taxes will stay more-a-less where they are, and spending will be cut. There are going to be public sector job losses, paycuts and (if its either of the 2 latter combinations I posted above) a lot of social unrest.

clockwork - 10/5/10 at 06:11 PM

While I respect your opinion Jon, I cannot disagree with you more.
My personal opinion is that Gordon Brown plays the short game at the expense of the long.
Any-one can make your life better now by borrowing heavily and selling assets.
This is the reason (I believe) that we are in the mess we are in now.

I cannot see any reason for Gordon Brown sold off our Gold when he did,
or
why he taxes dividends to Pension funds (restricting their growth)
or
why he gives tax credits AFTER taking the tax (would it not have made economic sense not to take the tax in the first place, we had systems for this already?)
or
why he didn't notice the housing bubble when he had been warned by his advisors and other parties
or
why he implemented the Thatcherite deregulation of banks!

I'll stop now as I know I tend to go on.

While I appreciate he has invested heavily in Schools and Hospitals, I feel other parties would have done so too.

I suppose I really ought to say I am a Liberal Democrat, despite not agreeing with their pro-Europe stance. I also think healthy debate is a good thing, even if we agree to disagree.

Michael

[Edited on 10/5/10 by clockwork]

norfolkluego - 10/5/10 at 06:26 PM

Er....

Let's not forget the £5 billion a year the lovely Gordon has been taking out of pension schemes for the last 10-11 years that has collapsed almost every final salary pension scheme in the country (mine included).

Thanks Gordy, I never wanted to retire anyway

[Edited on 10/5/10 by norfolkluego]

graememk - 10/5/10 at 06:28 PM

could anyone tell me whats happened to my pension ? alot of money seems to of vanished from the fund.

Paul (Notts) - 10/5/10 at 06:38 PM

Even the Telegraph admits that Gordan had been reducing the national debt until we were hit by the Global financial crisis. It’s then a question of how do you deal with it. By playing a long term game that hits us all a little over a long period OR a short term game that hits the less well off drastically and the top a little for a short time.

Personally I would be financially better off under the Tory plans But most would not.

Never noticed a housing bubble burst. Only a slow down in the market. Not the massive negative equity of the past.

Paul


Pensions - look back at the other parties records.

final salary - I have still got one but dont see how it can be kept going in the future, too many people living longer!

Ninehigh - 10/5/10 at 06:43 PM

It all went wrong, I'm still living here and not at no.10...

Must say my feelings for the general population were confirmed when I found out one Labour MP got voted back in then got stepped down cos he's in court for stealing off all those people who voted for him...

clockwork - 10/5/10 at 06:46 PM

UK debt did decrease for a time under labour... but not for very long.
See the institute for fiscal studies if you want to download some figures on the matter:
www.ifs.org.uk

Benzine - 10/5/10 at 06:56 PM

I love the idea of ID cards, indefinate retension of DNA profiles, 42 days detention and a million dead Iraqis. I LOVE LABOUR! ^__^

blakep82 - 10/5/10 at 07:03 PM

i feel labour have made this the nanny state we all keep moaning about.
would it have been any different with a different government for the last 13 (?) years? who knows. there's no way of knowing.

norfolkluego - 10/5/10 at 07:05 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Paul (Notts)

Pensions - look back at the other parties records.



£5 billion goes missing every year from Pension schemes and that IS down to Brown, no-one else, his idea as a nice free and hidden tax, sadly it hasn't been free for me or anyone else who's pension scheme has gone up in smoke, don't defend him to me over this one.

Benzine - 10/5/10 at 07:11 PM

quote:
Originally posted by blakep82
i feel labour have made this the nanny state we all keep moaning about.
would it have been any different with a different government for the last 13 (?) years? who knows. there's no way of knowing.


Yeah there's a few "we'll never know" things. Like people generally being nastier on the streets. When I was a lad (i.e. pre '97) we all used to play on the streets on our bikes and would never get abuse from anyone. Now on the same street no school kids are playing and douchebags roam free to taunt and swear at people. And lads mags, when I was at school the most you'd see on loaded or FHM was a girl in a bikini, now it's all women with huge wabs holding them or a couple of ladies holding each other, it's mad.

bmseven - 10/5/10 at 07:37 PM

Well if Dopey Dave gets in you better ALL brace yourselfs when he start off with his 6Bn cuts.

Having suufered what a Tory Government has done before with 17% Interest rates and Negative Equity I would rather be where we stand today.
Brown was succesful Chancellor since 1999 he may not be the most personable but then is smarmy Dave any better, I think not.
The state of the economy is a world wide affair not localised to the UK and if Cameroon makes it any better for me I will eat my hat


What we need is a Revolution - Power to the People

JoelP - 10/5/10 at 07:52 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Benzine
And lads mags, when I was at school the most you'd see on loaded or FHM was a girl in a bikini, now it's all women with huge wabs holding them or a couple of ladies holding each other, it's mad.


On a similar theme, do you remember years ago when teenage mutant ninja turtles were renamed 'hero turtle' because ninja was regarded too violent? And now, we have the 'Saw' series of movies. How things have changed (for the much worse). But, that is social decay, and cannot specifically be put at anyones door.

I blame the media, though im not sure why. I have a nagging idea at the back of my mind about news travelling too fast and causing positive feedback loops, but the idea just wont form fully. What starts as a small blip is suddenly amplified across the world, whereupon it feeds itself into something bigger.

[Edited on 10/5/10 by JoelP]

JoelP - 10/5/10 at 08:24 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Benzine
I love the idea of ID cards, indefinate retension of DNA profiles, 42 days detention and a million dead Iraqis. I LOVE LABOUR! ^__^


Saddam allegedly murdered a million of his people, and the unecessary Iran-Iraq war left another million dead. So you could say, the toppling actually saved 1m net lives over the next 30 years.

Paul TigerB6 - 10/5/10 at 09:51 PM

quote:
Originally posted by clockwork
UK debt did decrease for a time under labour... but not for very long.
See the institute for fiscal studies if you want to download some figures on the matter:
www.ifs.org.uk


Yup - had a look and this one makes interesting reading..

link

to quote page 3 section 2

"When Labour took office in 1997, the public finances were already starting to improve following the deterioration seen during the recession of the early 1990's, thanks to the substantial tax increases and cuts to public spending implemented by the previous Conservative government since 1993. During Labour's first four years in office, the public finances strengthened further, as the new government stuck to the tight public spending plans laid out by the Conservatives. The following seven years however were characterised by fiscal drift. By the eve of the financial crisis, this had left the UK with one of the largest structural budget deficits in the developed world."


Not good - and cant be blamed on the financial crisis then!!

And with the financial crisis it only gets worse...

link

So for 2009 alone we as a country have spent nearly £160 billion we didnt have, and now the total is around £1 trillion. Quite a debt to have - and one thats not going to be improved by the spend mentality of team Gordon.

Unfortunately there's only one way that this is going to improve, and that involves decisions that we're not going to like (but must be done for long term benefit)

woodster - 11/5/10 at 09:22 AM

bye bye Gordon Clown you old bigot i for one will miss your Mr Bean politics ........... Get the TORIES in to sort out labour over spending as usual ...... and to the rest of the labour party if anyone of you had had a back bone and got rid of him months ago you may have won the election

Ninehigh - 11/5/10 at 10:08 AM

The only people I'd trust to run this country post on this forum

Paul TigerB6 - 11/5/10 at 06:41 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Ninehigh
The only people I'd trust to run this country post on this forum


Fozzie for Prime Minister??

Ninehigh - 15/5/10 at 11:15 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Paul TigerB6
quote:
Originally posted by Ninehigh
The only people I'd trust to run this country post on this forum


Fozzie for Prime Minister??


Yep, Fesycresy as Deputy, there are a few people here good at maths so there'll be a fight for Chancellor of the Ex-checker.. I'm quite sure the Locostbuilders Party could do quite a good job