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Mobility Scooter Build Questions
red22 - 17/3/23 at 10:38 AM

So I'm thinking of building a mobility scooter.

I've been hunting high and low trying to find out a rules governing their construction but coming up blank.

The only things I can find are a general and nothing on build requirements.

As this place is a mine of information does anyone know wether these things come under IVA or MSVA or any email addresses of someone to ask.

Thanks


cliftyhanger - 17/3/23 at 12:55 PM

https://www.gov.uk/mobility-scooters-and-powered-wheelchairs-rules

the pavement only ones are limited to 4mph, and that seems to be the only guidance for them.
The 8mph type has more requirements, as per the above link


red22 - 17/3/23 at 01:25 PM

That's the problem. Is that it are there no more other things to worry about?

Apart from that I can't find any other help.

Thanks


bi22le - 17/3/23 at 02:59 PM

Hi,

I worked for a manufacturing company for 11 years design powered mobility solutions (mainly specialist wheelchairs, not high street style granny scooters)

Depending on what you are trying to do and who is going to use it, depends on what standards you need to meet.

If your idea is sensitive, ping me a U2U otherwise tell us a little more of what you are trying to do and who it is intended for and I can help you out.

Always ask LCB, probably the best knowledge base on the net!


adampage - 17/3/23 at 03:32 PM

....nobody's said it needs an old Kart chassis, an office chair on top and a Fireblade engine under the chair!

Good luck either way
Ad




red22 - 17/3/23 at 03:42 PM

quote:
Originally posted by adampage
....nobody's said it needs an old Kart chassis, an office chair on top and a Fireblade engine under the chair





As long as it's under 8mph seems the sky's the limit

No not sensitive at all, it'll be for personal use and built for class 3, range about 10miles(so it's not constantly on a charger). Any pointers or advice would be great

Thanks


loggyboy - 17/3/23 at 04:38 PM

Some more info here https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/879218/Mobility_Vehicle_Users_guidance-document.pdf


rf900rush - 17/3/23 at 08:54 PM

Not sure if is of use to you, but, I have a 4mph Motor/axle , controller and front axle (steering) sat in my workshop.


red22 - 17/3/23 at 09:10 PM

Thanks for the offer but I think I've got that covered.

Also thanks for the link but it's still just general.

If all I have to worry about is fitting lights, a brake and making sure it's not to wide, piece of cake.

Can't help but thinking there might be more to though, but happy to be proved wrong

Thanks


nick205 - 17/3/23 at 09:10 PM

Unless you have some unique purpose for it, would it not be more cost effective to buy one ready built. Maybe even a 2nd hand one?


red22 - 18/3/23 at 07:16 AM

Not really wanting to look like a 70 year granny out shopping plus where's the fun in that

Thanks


nick205 - 18/3/23 at 01:58 PM

quote:
Originally posted by red22
Not really wanting to look like a 70 year granny out shopping plus where's the fun in that

Thanks



Point taken - building yourself you can style yourself too.


gremlin1234 - 19/3/23 at 07:39 PM

quote:
Originally posted by red22
Not really wanting to look like a 70 year granny out shopping plus where's the fun in that

Thanks

for the different look, I would recycle an existing chassis and powertrain, and build my own bodyshell on it.


red22 - 19/3/23 at 08:07 PM

Ah, this is why I would like to find more info on construction requirements as I definitely don't want to be running bodywork

Thanks


nick205 - 20/3/23 at 02:34 PM

I can see not wanting to have "bodywork", but I'd bet there's plenty of moving parts and electical parts to be covered for safety's sake.


Prof_Cook - 20/3/23 at 07:58 PM

The relevant introductory legislation is https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1988/2268/contents/made

This links on to various other legislation, but within this, to be a Class 2 mobility scooter there are some definitions in this legislation such as: Class 2 invalid carriage shall not exceed 113.4 kilograms

So you need to keep within this weight limit, if above it (and within the Class 3 weight limit of 150Kg) then such a class 3 "vehicle" would need a V5 and also need to have stuff (horn, rear view mirror, and a flashing amber light for dual carriageway use!) fitted: https://www.gov.uk/mobility-scooters-and-powered-wheelchairs-rules/rules-for-class-3-mobility-scooters

But if not an actual "Mobility Scooter" (if you don't adhere to the various definitions) then you could be running the risk of it being considered by the authorities as a Powered Transporter: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/powered-transporters/information-sheet-guidance-on-powered-transporters


[Edited on 20/3/23 by Prof_Cook]


SteveWalker - 21/3/23 at 12:41 AM

I know that there have been cases (which came to nothing) of mobility scooters designed to look like motor-trikes being stopped by the police. So it looks like weight and speed are the important factors and what they look like only determines whether people might think that they are illegal.


red22 - 21/3/23 at 11:07 AM

quote:
Originally posted by nick205
I can see not wanting to have "bodywork", but I'd bet there's plenty of moving parts and electical parts to be covered for safety's sake.


Don't panic I have owned more than a few death trap motorbikes over the years and still have the required amount of body parts, also I don't make a habit of wearing billowing dresses or overly fairy jeans.

It should qualify as a mobility scooter but falling under falling under MSVA wouldn't be a problem as there is nothing controversial. The only issue is finding small e marked tyres. Even hunting for class 3 ones still brings up stuff that are marked "not for highway use", even though they obviously are.

Thanks


gremlin1234 - 21/3/23 at 07:36 PM

as well as the construction of the vehicle, they are only to be used by people with mobility issues.

"Can anyone use a mobility?
The law states that a Class 2 and Class 3 vehicle may only be used by a
disabled person, or by a non-disabled person who is demonstrating a vehicle
before sale, training a disabled user or taking the vehicle to or from a place for
maintenance or repair. In addition, a Class 3 vehicle can only be used by a
disabled person aged 14 or over. A disabled person in this context is someone
with an injury, physical disability or medical condition which means that they are
unable to walk or have difficulty in walking. "

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/879218/Mobility_Vehicle_Users_guidance-document.pdf

[Edited on 21/3/23 by gremlin1234]


red22 - 22/3/23 at 05:58 AM

quote:
Originally posted by gremlin1234
as well as the construction of the vehicle, they are only to be used by people with mobility issues[/url]

[Edited on 21/3/23 by gremlin1234]


That'd be me then.

Thanks


cliftyhanger - 22/3/23 at 08:18 AM

Nobody has yet mentioned the elephant in the room.
Is there a reason to build rather than just buy?
It seems even almost new mobility scooters are well priced, probably substantially less than the cost to buy everything.

I know people on here are into making/building stuff, but here I do question the sanity!


red22 - 22/3/23 at 10:04 AM

Not really wanting to look like a 70 year granny out shopping plus where's the fun in that

Thanks


Prof_Cook - 22/3/23 at 12:54 PM

If I needed one I would look to build something like the "moon" buggy in that James Bond film....... complete with remote control arms to pick stuff off the high shelves.