What a F***ING IDIOT!
Sorry but that was well out of order
[Edited on 4-8-07 by speedyxjs]
Why? What was the point?
What a F***ING IDIOT!
Sorry but that was well out of order
[Edited on 4-8-07 by speedyxjs]
why what he do?
Time for Ron Dennis to blow a gasket BIG TIME by the looks of it.
What a prat.
came in for final pit stop, told to go, never went, lewis waiting behind, ment lewis could not complete a final fast left as did not have time to cross start line before time ran out.
What's Spanish for P45??
wouldnt be easy to time though, assuming it was on purpose. Certainly not a spur of the moment thing.
He had to ensure he crossed the line in time to get a good lap, but lewis, who would be only 10ish seconds behind, would be too late. Not easy.
ahhh just seen it. what a dirty bastard! that out of order! lewis looked mad!
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Originally posted by JoelP
wouldnt be easy to time though, assuming it was on purpose. Certainly not a spur of the moment thing.
Ron should sack him then ask Button if he want's a proper job
Way out of order
I hope Lewis stuffs him into the first corner tomorrow and wins the race failing that Ron looked mad enough to hold Alonso at the first pit stop and
let Lewis past! 
quote:
Ron should sack him then ask Button if he want's a proper job
"Ron should sack him then ask Button if he want's a proper job"
Thirded!!
quote:
Originally posted by omega 24 v6
quote:
Ron should sack him then ask Button if he want's a proper job
YOU MEAN AN ALL BRITISH RACING TEAM.
What a great idea although sponsors might not agree. I wonder if Ron's cuffed Alonso's ear yet
Mmmm just thinking why did ron grab alonso's trainer. He had earpice and mic and may have been instrumental in the deed.
[Edited on 4/8/07 by omega 24 v6]
quote:
Originally posted by Nick Skidmore
What's Spanish for P45??
If Alonso forgets he can't win without his his pit crew being 100% behind him.
I have to admire Hamilton for being so cool.
End of season will be P45 time I think -- I have never seen Ron Dennis show so much anger even when he was juggling Senna's oversized ego
against Prost or Mansell.
Expect announcement that Hamilton is now McLaren's official no1 driver.
just found this
http://www.planet-f1.com/story/0,18954,3213_2640494,00.html
i missed it today but i'll bet it will be worth watching the race tomorrow
[Edited on 4/8/07 by eccsmk]
Pull his engine out and start him from the pits!!!
Hve to agree lewis took this very well,and in the interview after alonso looked and sounded a bit shaky with lewis looking as usual very cool.
I belive alonso realises he has made a grave error and it will probably affect his race tomorow more than lewis hamiltons.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/61353
Yeah - I too saw Ron's actions. First he tore his headset off, then he rather pointedly removed Alonso's trainer's headset, then he had
his arm round the trainer's neck and - sort of - frog-marched him away. And when asked about it on the way back, he calmly (seemingly inwardly
seething) said he would discuss it later. I wonder why he didn't lash out the second time he was asked - really, some people do push their
luck....
Pete
fair play to the guy , schumacher wouldnt have thought twice about it .
its all mind games .
Alonso was a cheating tw@t for holding up lewis but it just goes to highlight a small fraction of the fovouritism lewis is receiving because of how he
is, how close he is to the team manager & his lack of F1 experience.
Alonso is the WORLD CHAMPION and I say fair play to Alonso for doing what he did. How brialliant a mind to make sure he didnt cut off his nose to
spite his face. I was also hoping that Hamilton wouldve also been clever enough to have baulked Alonsos flying lap. That way they'd have been
as bad as each other and hopefully bang their heads together to eventually benefit the team.
"fair play to the guy , schumacher wouldnt have thought twice about it"
No, but the Schuii was a cheating git too, particularly when under pressure, this was totally unsportsmanlike & is now under investigation from
the stewards who want to hear the radio between pits & driver, hope they start him from the back of the grid, cheats do not deserve to
prosper!
its not cheating - its playing the game - theres no rule to say you have to go when they lift the lollipop . its unsportsmanlike , but , to win you have to be ruthless , senna was like that too .
Schu cheated on I think at the Aussie GP some years ago to sink Damon Hill by ramming him from behind so, robbing him by 2 points of winning the F1
Drivers Championship. (Although I may be wrong on that subject I do recall something happening like that).
Alonso up to time wasting tactics would be nothing unusual given the circumstances the stupid petulant brat is in at present, after a younger and what
seems to be a better driver in the same car taking over in the lead for F1 and getting podium finishes every time. The bloke is nothing but consistent
so far.
Yes I know he is the current world champion but, when a driver comes along who is as good as him then and only then do a lot of european drivers tend
to throw a paddy and chuck their toys out of their prams quicker than you can blink.
[Edited on 4/8/07 by Blakey_boy]
A good point we might have all missed here is the fact that when alonso held hamilton up in the pit lane he was 2nd on the grid, the only benefit
would be if alonso posted a faster time and he did.
I still think he was wrong though as he could have shot himself in the foot and could have been sharing row 1 with another team (ferrari/BMW), as it
stands lewis will just do as he is told so alonso just has to point the car at the chequered flag.
Big gamble but it payed off as long as he wakes up in the morning.
And if Hammy wins on Sunday then will there be humble pie eaten and an apology for the tactics by Alonso??
I THINK NOT...........
schumacher was a cheating git, but he did it against his rivals not his team mates.
I know technically hamilton is Alosno's rival but he is also his team mate. there will come a time when he will need Hamiltons help
I was thinking (which can be dangerous) if lewis didnt make that attempt at another fast lap and coasted back into the pits does this mean he has at least another 2 laps in his tank.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/61368
I would call the autosport press release ........... interesting
Still smells to me - I think Ron is playing it down and confusing everyone with science. The body language on ALL those involved says it all. No
amount of scientific explanation can detract from body language. I hope Lewis walks away with it.
Pete
ITV news just said Alonso has been dropped 5 places by the race stewards.
Sorry to be the unsilent minority here but I don't think Alonso did anything on purpose to screw up Lewis's lap. It's possible that his
engineer saw an "opportunity" but in my mind McLaren were cutting it pretty damned fine to get both drivers across the line before the
chequered flag. Even with no delay from Alonso, Lewis would only have made it by 5 or 6 seconds and I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have been
able to follow a normal out lap pace profile even at that. I think the story about Lewis being out of sequence may well be true and may well have been
the cause of the whole debacle.
Ron's reaction may have been due to him not knowing all the facts at the moment he threw his headset off and he was professional enough not to
speculate before talking to all involved.
I dare say we'll get more detail tomorrow but I'm going to give Alonso the benefit of the doubt in the meantime. He didn't look as
sheepish as I believe he would have done if he had stitched Lewis up as has been suggested.
On last thing - my initial reaction when I saw the session today was that Alonso had held up Hamilton and I have to say I thought it was highly
entertaining! It's about time the characters in F1 became a bit more 3 dimensional and a bit less boring. I loved the spat between Alonso and
Massa too. I also recall the time when Senna punched Eddie Irvine in the gravel trap (oo er!) and when Michael Schu went after DC after he ran into
the back of him in Belgium in the rain. We need more of this sort of stuff, not less!
Cheers,
Craig.
quote:
Originally posted by jos
How brilliant a mind to make sure he didnt cut off his nose to spite his face.
quote:
Originally posted by Volvorsport
theres no rule to say you have to go when they lift the lollipop .
I've just read the full Stewards' report. Deffo Alonso in the wrong. Anyone still supporting Alonso should read the report.
End of.
Pete
quote:
Originally posted by Volvorsport
its not cheating - its playing the game - theres no rule to say you have to go when they lift the lollipop . its unsportsmanlike , but , to win you have to be ruthless , senna was like that too .
How things have changed
Four decades back the all the F1 cars were transported out to the US grandprix at Watins Glen in a single 707 aircraft chartered by FOCA. This
mean't that only 16 cars could be transported out --- 2 per team. This gave Lotus who had only one driver (Jim Clak) a spare car.
John Surtees Ferrari was damaged in transit and as the team didn't have a spare car and were waiting for spares Surtees ask Colin Chapman for the
use of Jim Clark's spare car for the practice session, Chapman & Clark considered it but refused giving as a reason the unreliability of the
BRM H16 engine.
Apparently Surtees wasn't to pleased but Jim Clark went on to win the only victoryfor a BRM H16 powered car in the spare car.
[Edited on 5/8/07 by britishtrident]
[Edited on 5/8/07 by britishtrident]
quote:
Originally posted by Petemate
I've just read the full Stewards' report. Deffo Alonso in the wrong. Anyone still supporting Alonso should read the report.
End of.
Pete
Sorry - still doesn't excuse Alonso sitting there after the lollipop was raised.
I wasn't suggesting that it excused Alonso's poor sportsmanship, i meant that neither of them behaved correctly. I'd much prefer to see them wheel to wheel on track than messing around with all this gamesmanship crap.
Rob - I fully agree mate, petty behaviour within team, hasn't done the sport a lot of good.
Pete
Yeah and you KNOW it was his fault.He violated the internal stragedy he needed to let pass Alonso and he didn't, they gave Alonso used tyres wich
he asked explanation for also they said he waited for traffic pass....
well read this!:link
it sais everything..
ahh another thing alonso was pretty lucky he managed to enter his flying lap by 0,6Seconds sow that was deff not planned..
quote:
Originally posted by Petemate
I've just read the full Stewards' report. Deffo Alonso in the wrong. Anyone still supporting Alonso should read the report.
End of.
Pete
The news item has dropped off the main page but you can still read the Stewards' decision here:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/61373
quote:
Originally posted by Blakey_boy
And if Hammy wins on Sunday then will there be humble pie eaten and an apology for the tactics by Alonso??
I THINK NOT...........
after the race everyone was a bit quiet. Hammy had had enough time to calm down and had realised by then the disobeying team orders and swearing at
the boss wasnt a good idea and he was in for a rough time when they got back to woking.
I think both drivers are going to get a probably well deserved b*llocking over this.