omega0684
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| posted on 27/3/09 at 12:28 AM |
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SVA Manual contradiction!
well i've just been reading throught the 'lights' section fo the SVA Manual and found that it contradicts itself!
under rear reflectors it states
Two Rear Reflectors, red in colour, not more than 400mm from the side of the vehicle and no less than 600mm apart. maximum height of 900mm,minimum
height of 350mm. they must not be triangular in shape.
"Approval marks E, e, BS, 1 or 1A"
Now, further on in the optional lamps section, it states
Rear Reflectors: Any Number can be fitted, they must be red in colour, must not be visible from the front of the vehicle and must not be triangular.
'NO' APPROVAL MARKS REQUIRED.
does this mean that you must have at least two rear reflectors that are E marked and then you can have as many additional rear reflectors as you would
like that don't have to be E-marked, or am i right and the Manual is contradicting itself
just noticed as well, it says the same for the tail lamps, in the requirement section it says they have to be E marked but in the optional light
section it says they don't!
[Edited on 27/3/09 by omega0684]
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austin man
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| posted on 27/3/09 at 12:54 AM |
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use rear lights with reflectors built in problem solved
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omega0684
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| posted on 27/3/09 at 12:59 AM |
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i bring it up because i was sva checking a car the other day and the reflectors were not E-marked so we thought that we would have to buy some new
ones, now im not so sure.
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Ninehigh
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| posted on 27/3/09 at 01:07 AM |
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It's close, the compulsory ones have to be e-marked, the optional ones don't.
I'm guessing it means you need one legal tail light (each side) and then a pretty much illegal one too...
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Humbug
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| posted on 27/3/09 at 07:28 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Ninehigh
It's close, the compulsory ones have to be e-marked, the optional ones don't.
I'm guessing it means you need one legal tail light (each side) and then a pretty much illegal one too...
What he said: there are certain lights/reflectors that are mandatory, which have e marking standards, height/position rules, plus there are optional
ones which have lower/no standards.
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blakep82
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| posted on 27/3/09 at 07:53 AM |
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IVA's coming soon anyway, i wouldn't worry too much 
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IVA manual link http://www.businesslink.gov.uk/bdotg/action/detail?type=RESOURCES&itemId=1081997083
don't write OT on a new thread title, you're creating the topic, everything you write is very much ON topic!
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adithorp
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| posted on 27/3/09 at 08:33 AM |
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Obligatory light have to be to the regulations and you have to have them. Optional means you can have them, in addition to the obligatory ones, if you
want and if you do have to meet the optional requirement regs'.
The E marks are another matter. None E-marked lights are allowed (with the exception of headlights) if they have "a similar brightness when
compared with a lamp bearing an appropriate approval mark".
That comes down to the testers opinion and experience.
adrian
"A witty saying proves nothing" Voltaire
http://jpsc.org.uk/forum/
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omega0684
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| posted on 27/3/09 at 03:12 PM |
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dont worry i will be reading through the IVA manual as well so i can help all you guys out
[Edited on 27/3/09 by omega0684]
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flak monkey
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| posted on 27/3/09 at 03:26 PM |
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Mine arent e-marked and he didnt even second glance at them...
FWIW anyway.
Literally the SVA manual states the compulsory ones muct be emarked and that any additional ones dont need to be.
David
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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Mix
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| posted on 27/3/09 at 05:02 PM |
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Hi
The way I read it, the only lights that require 'E' marks are the headlights. It may be easier to demonstrate complicity with
'E' marked other lights but it is not required by SVA.
Open to be educated though.
Regards Mick
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omega0684
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| posted on 27/3/09 at 05:31 PM |
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this is taken from the SVA Manual
Section 9. Obligatory Lighting and Signaling Lamps.
The regulations state that the vehicle must be fitted with the following:
Two front position (side) lamps, each mounted not more than 400mm from the side of
the vehicle, and not more than 1500mm high. (2100mm if impracticable) They must be
white in colour or yellow if mounted inside a yellow headlamp. Approval mark E, e, or
BS ìAî
Two rear position (tail) lamps, each mounted not more than 400mm from the side of the vehicle, and not less than 500mm apart. (unless the vehicle is
less than 1400mm wide in which case this is reduced to 400mm. They must be red in colour. Maximum height as for sidelamps. Approval mark E, e, or BS
ìRî
Two stop lamps, red in colour, mounted ether side of the centre of the vehicle and not less than 400mm apart. Maximum height 1500mm (2100mm if
impracticable) minimum height 350mm. Approval mark E, e, or BS îS1îor ìS2î
One rear fog lamp, red in colour, mounted either on the centre line or to the offside of centre and not less than 100mm from the nearest stop lamp.
Approval mark E,e, or BS ìBî or ìFî.
Direction indicators, amber in colour, two at the front, two at the rear, and two side repeaters.
Front and rear indicators to be mounted not more than 400mm from the side of the
vehicle, and not less than 500mm apart. (400mm if vehicle width is less than 1400mm) Maximum height 1500mm (2300mm if not practicable), minimum height
350mm.
Direction indicators must also be operable as hazard warning lights, with the ignition switch either on or off.
Approval marks E, e, or BS, From 1/4/86, Front, 1,1a, 1b, 11, Front ñ side 3 or 4. Side repeater 5, rear 2a, 2b, 12
Two rear reflectors, red in colour, not more than 400mm from the side of the vehicle,
And not less than 600mm apart (400mm if vehicle is less than 1300mm wide) Maximum height 900mm (1200mm if impracticable), minimum height 350mm. They
must not be
triangular in shape.
Approval marks E, e, BS, 1 or 1A
Not more than two dipped beam headlamps, white or yellow in colour, mounted not
more than 400mm from the side of the vehicle, and not more than 1200mm and not less
than 500mm high, measured to the beam cut off pattern on the lens.
They must be manufactured for use on a right hand drive vehicle. (i.e. dipping to the left)
Approval mark E, e, ìCî, S if sealed beam, H if Halogen with arrows or BS AU40
At least two main beam headlamps, white or yellow in colour and mounted no closer to the side of the vehicle than the dipped headlamps. There are no
height requirements.
Approval marks E, e, ìRî, S if sealed beam, H if Halogen.
according to this all lights need e-marks apart from the rear number plate light (which must be white in colour)
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Mix
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| posted on 27/3/09 at 05:43 PM |
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Hi
As I read it 9.1 note 3 implies 'or equivalent'
Just a pedant really ........... aware of the increasing tendancy towards 'urban myths'
Unless I'm incorrect, in which case I expect to be publicly flamed.
Edited to say ........ I don't see anywhere where a non 'E' marked light is reason for failure.
Regards Mick
[Edited on 27/3/09 by Mix]
[Edited on 27/3/09 by Mix]
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Ninehigh
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| posted on 27/3/09 at 06:24 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by omega0684
this is taken from the SVA Manual
Direction indicators, amber in colour, two at the front, two at the rear, and two side repeaters.
Front and rear indicators to be mounted not more than 400mm from the side of the
vehicle, and not less than 500mm apart. (400mm if vehicle width is less than 1400mm) Maximum height 1500mm (2300mm if not practicable), minimum height
350mm.
Direction indicators must also be operable as hazard warning lights, with the ignition switch either on or off.
So on the basis of that part only I wouldn't be allowed to use a strip of amber leds running across the front and along the side of the cycle
wings, or would the fact there are many leds mean it counts as more than one?
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