DarrenW
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| posted on 27/3/09 at 12:52 PM |
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IVA - Donor engines
Ive taken this from the IVA newsletter thread so as not to dilute that one.
Interesting question raised about donor engines. Suggests that for IVA some proof that the donor car had a particular engine fitted is needed. I may
be totally wrong so feel free to add the official line.
My donor was fitted with 2.0 DOHC. I fitted 2.0 SOHC. Both types were fitted to Sierras at some point.
For SVA i had a letter from Ford giving details of engine age that was acceptable for working out what the emissions needed to be.
For DVLA (home visit) i explained the situation but was allowed to say engine was from donor as it could very concievable had been fitted but V5 not
changed - sensible approach i say.
How does IVA differ from SVA in relation to proving origin of the donor engine? I would have thought that proof of engine age and emissions in force
at that time would be the key.
How would someone prove a Sierra etc had a ZX10 fitted? Is this the end to BECS Or is it the start of photoshopped engine bays???
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omega0684
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| posted on 27/3/09 at 01:33 PM |
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if you were fitting a bike engine and then a sierra rear end would you not need the V5's from both donors to prove were each part has come from?
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Guinness
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| posted on 27/3/09 at 01:33 PM |
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Hi Darren
I "think" that my interpretation would be that some clever people have been buying a donor, with say a 1.6 pinto engine in it, changing
the V5 first to say that it had been fitted with a 2.2 Duratec, so you then got a set of matching numbers. Then stripping and scrapping the donor.
Then when you come to register at DVLA you get an age related plate (counting up under the points system).
But they never actually fitted the duratec to the Sierra.  Much like yourself. 
So under this new rule, you would have to show photos of your Pinto in the engine bay of the DOHC Sierra.
I don't think it's the end of BEC's.
Cheers
Mike
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matt_claydon
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| posted on 27/3/09 at 01:51 PM |
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This is my understanding:
For the SVA it's nothing to do with how many parts came from the donor to decide what plates to issue, that's DVLA's concern.
VOSA are referring to using the V5 to prove the age of the engine for the emissions test. If you have confirmation from the engine manufacturer then
you don't need the V5 at all.
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tendoshingan
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| posted on 27/3/09 at 01:52 PM |
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Yep I agree,
the new rules are to stop people from "claiming" that their donor already had the engine fitted.
In my case, the engine is a zetec silver top and the donor was a sierra. The V5 has been changed and at the SVA test this was perfectly ok.
For the IVA you will need photos etc to prove that the engine was already in the donor prior to dismantling.
May think of collecting photos of sierras with bike engines, then using my photoshop skills to print off some "valid" photos for use at
IVA
Anyone interested??? £20 a pop???
Only joking!!!!
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deezee
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| posted on 27/3/09 at 02:38 PM |
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Why do you need to prove the engine came with the car? The IVA talk about engine age. So if you fitted a modern engine to an old car, you'd
have to get it tested to the modern standard.
So you need to prove the engine was the original from the donor. Or get hold of a letter confirming the engine age.
[Edited on 27/3/09 by deezee]
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NS Dev
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| posted on 27/3/09 at 02:57 PM |
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interesting that I saw an official line somewhere on here mentioning photographic evidence!
Interesting as I know of a character who DID actually fit a bike engine to his donor sierra to keep dvla and SVA happy!!!
He had some sort of inspection before removing the engine, and took photos!!!
Actually not as silly as it sounds, as he needed a prop etc anyway, he just had the rear section made longer and then remade it shorter again.
I did question why, and he basically wasn't aware of the tricks done by most and just "chucked it together for a laff " as he put
it!!
PS he's the same guy who also fitted a small block chevy to some old triumph iirc to sort the age related plate on a cobra rep.
[Edited on 27/3/09 by NS Dev]
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DarrenW
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| posted on 27/3/09 at 04:13 PM |
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i can only imagine that the line will end up being either;
a. V5 with proof of engine fitted in donor, or
b. Engine age letter from engine manufacturer.
I still dont see how a V5 for a 1983 Sierra and a photo showing a 2008 busa engine fitted serves any purpose whatsoever. Does this mean you will get
by on 1983 emmissions limits? I think not. Also there are several people who build without using a donor seeing as all of the parts required to build
a kit car are available seperately.
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deezee
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| posted on 27/3/09 at 04:27 PM |
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I asked VOSA a few questions about the IVA. They said it moves emissions onto the engine age. Ignoring the car / donor age. Its just the engine.
You should be able to prove its age, or it goes in on the stricter test.
A photo of a Duratec in a Sierra won't make the engine any older.
[Edited on 27/3/09 by deezee]
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chrisspartan
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| posted on 27/3/09 at 07:51 PM |
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Is the engine essential on the points system to gain original reg - is it not possible to get enough points for a seven with steering, front and rear
axles and transmission?
I can't seem to get the points anywhere on the web??
Chris
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NS Dev
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| posted on 27/3/09 at 10:08 PM |
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the guy I was talking about was doing it for the registration, not SVA.
Still had to pass the emissions for the year of bike engine
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tendoshingan
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| posted on 27/3/09 at 11:08 PM |
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Sorry, I should have clarified my own post earlier.
I believe the new rules are regarding registration and getting an age related plate, even though they are part of the IVA.
The rules, I believe, are just intended to stop the paper trail of having an engine implied to have been part of the donor car when it actually
wasn't. Nothing to do with emissions.
You still have to prove engine age for emissions and I had to use the original V5 from the engine donor at SVA to prove this.
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