Tipster69
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| posted on 24/2/10 at 02:13 PM |
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Another IVA question regarding Age Related, Q or New Plate
Hi,
I have been reading up and trying to understand the criteria regarding the registration mark a build will eventually go on.
Could you please verify or correct me on the following examples:
1) I have bought an MK Indy Chassis and used an (88)E reg Sierra Donor Car with V5. I use the engine and gearbox, diff, steering rack, etc. from
the donor car - This car would go on an E reg?
2) Exactly as above but I use a C20XE Red-Top engine.
Does this go on a Q reg or an E reg?
3) I buy everything new from MK apart from the engine, for which I choose a reconditioned C20XE Red-Top - This car will go on a 59 plate?
As above but I also use a reconditioned gearbox as well (is this taken as 1 unit Engine and Gearbox?) - thus would it go on a 59 plate?
To go one step further - I use all new kit from MK apart from a reconditioned Engine and reconditioned diff - What plate would this go on? (I am
presuming a Q)
THANKS in advance
[Edited on 24/2/10 by Tipster69]
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Tris
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| posted on 24/2/10 at 02:31 PM |
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Taken from here - http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/BuyingAndSellingAVehicle/RegisteringAVehicle/DG_10014246
Kit Cars
Where all the parts of a vehicle are supplied new by the manufacturer. Subject to the provision of satisfactory receipts and a certificate of
newness these vehicles will be registered under a current registration mark.
Kit cars which have been built using not more than one reconditioned component will also be registered under a current mark. This is subject to
the provision of satisfactory evidence that the component has been reconditioned to an "as new" standard. An IVA, ESVA, SVA or MSVA test
will be required.
Kit Conversions
This is where a kit of new parts is added to an existing vehicle or old parts are added to a kit comprising a manufactured body, chassis or monocoque
bodyshell. The general appearance of the vehicle will change and result in a revised description on the registration certificate.
A vehicle will retain its donor registration mark if either the original unmodified chassis or unaltered monocoque bodyshell and two other major
components are used. If a new monocoque bodyshell or chassis from a specialist kit manufacturer is used (or an altered chassis or bodyshell from an
existing vehicle) together with two major components from a donor vehicle, an age related mark will be assigned. The mark will be based on the age
of the donor vehicle. An IVA, ESVA, SVA or MSVA test will be required to register the vehicle.
Where there are insufficient parts from a donor vehicle or in cases where the original registration mark is unknown, an IVA, ESVA, SVA or MSVA
certificate will be required to register the vehicle and a 'Q' prefix registration number will be allocated.
I beleive in the case of a BEC, the engine and gearbox is classed as a single item. I don't however know if that applies to Car engined kits
too. Anyone ???
Cheers
Tris
[Edited on 24/2/10 by Tris]
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cd.thomson
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| posted on 24/2/10 at 02:32 PM |
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1) I have bought an MK Indy Chassis and used an (88)E reg Sierra Donor Car with V5. I use the engine and gearbox, diff, steering rack, etc. from
the donor car - This car would go on an E reg?
Correct. A different E reg to the original car though.
2) Exactly as above but I use a C20XE Red-Top engine.
This car would have enough "points" to get an age related E plate, DVLA may well try to give a Q plate but this is incorrect.
3) I buy everything new from MK apart from the engine, for which I choose a reconditioned C20XE Red-Top - This car will go on a 59 plate?
Yes you are allowed 1 old major component for a new plate
4) As above but I also use a reconditioned gearbox as well (is this taken as 1 unit Engine and Gearbox?) - thus would it go on a 59 plate?
In theory only the engine can be old to get a new plate and the box should be new, however again this is a DVLA descretion type thing
To go one step further - I use all new kit from MK apart from a reconditioned Engine and reconditioned diff - What plate would this go on? (I am
presuming a Q)
Again, likely to be a new plate. If everything is from one donor and you have a V5 then it may be age related. Or if not and the DVLA guy is sharp
then it'll be Q
[Edited on 24/2/10 by cd.thomson]
Craig
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Tipster69
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| posted on 24/2/10 at 02:58 PM |
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Hi,
Thanks for the replies.
With regards to the comment "This car would have enough "points" to get an age related E plate".
How are the "points" tallied up and what is the necessary tally for it to be deemed suitable for age related?
and "Again, likely to be a new plate. If everything is from one donor and you have a V5 then it may be age related. Or if not and the DVLA guy
is sharp then it'll be Q " - how could I ensure it went on a new plate if I used a recon engine and diff?
(would I get away with Engine, Gearbox and Diff" for a new plate?)
CHEERS
[Edited on 24/2/10 by Tipster69]
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cd.thomson
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| posted on 24/2/10 at 03:00 PM |
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by using all reconditioned or new parts you are doing all you can to ensure DVLA give you a new plate. Whether they try to give you a Q plate is a
different matter as they aren't best organisation to deal with..
I cant find the points link at the mo sorry, it was some time ago I read it!
Craig
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fesycresy
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| posted on 24/2/10 at 03:14 PM |
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Just to add, I spoke to a diff and transmission specialist a couple of months ago and the DVLA contacted them to verify the receipt was correct and
the component was all new.
Looks like they've started checking.
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bartonp
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| posted on 24/2/10 at 03:19 PM |
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Sure have:
http://www.the-ace.org.uk/
...and reading here too...
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Tipster69
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| posted on 24/2/10 at 07:17 PM |
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Hi,
Thanks again guys for all the above replies.
CHEERS
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Tipster69
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| posted on 24/2/10 at 08:58 PM |
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Hi,
If the engine is from a Bike. Is the bike V5 required to put it on an age related plate?
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cd.thomson
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| posted on 25/2/10 at 08:33 AM |
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no, the V5 is needed from the vehicle which donates the largest number of parts.
Because in a se7en one sierra can, in theory, be used to provide the uprights, diff and driveshafts so its still the sierra V5 you need.
I imagine it to be more difficult to get an age related plate for a BEC for this reason.
TBH tipster - very early in my build I asked all these questions too but eventually I came to realise it really doesnt matter one jot. Dont decide
what to build based on your estimated registration plate.. (dont mean to sound condecending, just wanting to put your mind at rest!).
[Edited on 25/2/10 by cd.thomson]
Craig
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Tipster69
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| posted on 25/2/10 at 07:49 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by cd.thomson
no, the V5 is needed from the vehicle which donates the largest number of parts.
Because in a se7en one sierra can, in theory, be used to provide the uprights, diff and driveshafts so its still the sierra V5 you need.
I imagine it to be more difficult to get an age related plate for a BEC for this reason.
TBH tipster - very early in my build I asked all these questions too but eventually I came to realise it really doesnt matter one jot. Dont decide
what to build based on your estimated registration plate.. (dont mean to sound condecending, just wanting to put your mind at rest!).
[Edited on 25/2/10 by cd.thomson]
Hi,
Thanks AGAIN for taking the time out to reply. I now have a better picture in my head and your comments are taken onboard.
CHEERS
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