rf900rush
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| posted on 6/11/10 at 10:18 AM |
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If it's a bargain coul'nt one buy it, then put it through IVA and make it all legal.
Then just throw away the log book.
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kj
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| posted on 6/11/10 at 12:08 PM |
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How many duttons on the dutton owners club have had locost front suspension set up and members mentioning buying suspension off this site to convert
their cars and also changing the rear end to 5 link set up.
Should all them have to apply for IVA due to the redical modifications rather than spend hours looking for cars like this on e-bay to claim back the
id to stick on an old dutton with the front and rear chassis to mimick a 7 replica with a dutton body on it?
[Edited on 6/11/10 by kj]
Think about it, think about it again and then do it.
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bmseven
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| posted on 6/11/10 at 02:45 PM |
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Do these cases really need discussing on here, are you seriously saying that every car that has passed SVA is better/safer than one that has not?
As in all cases when buying anything Caveat Emptor
Caveat Emptor
The enquiry is complete
The vehicle details for Q82 CPE are:
Date of Liability 01 11 2008
Date of First Registration 01 10 1983
Year of Manufacture 1983
Cylinder Capacity (cc) 998CC
CO2 Emissions Not Available
Fuel Type Petrol
Export Marker Not Applicable
Vehicle Status Unlicensed
Vehicle Colour YELLOW
Vehicle Type Approval
This vehicle can be licensed at a DVLA Local Office without the V5C Registration Certificate
Vehicle Excise Duty Rate for vehicle
6 Months Rate £68.75
12 Months Rate £125.00
BMW 7 Resource
Bures Pit anyone?
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interestedparty
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| posted on 6/11/10 at 04:08 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by bmseven
Do these cases really need discussing on here,
Yes
quote:
Originally posted by bmseven
are you seriously saying that every car that has passed SVA is better/safer than one that has not?
I'll answer that as soon as you tell me why the builder of this car realised that it wouldn't pass, and instead bought a Dutton
registration. Depending on when it was built, it was probably only looking at a £150 test. Why was he frightened to take it? Maybe he did take it, and
it failed so badly that he bought a Dutton instead, then swiitched the plates?
As some day it may happen that a victim must be found,
I've got a little list-- I've got a little list
Of society offenders who might well be underground,
And who never would be missed-- who never would be missed!
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bmseven
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| posted on 6/11/10 at 05:01 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by interestedparty
quote:
Originally posted by bmseven
Do these cases really need discussing on here,
Yes
Why to make yourselves feel better?
quote:
are you seriously saying that every car that has passed SVA is better/safer than one that has not?
I'll answer that as soon as you tell me why the builder of this car realised that it wouldn't pass, and instead bought a Dutton
registration. Depending on when it was built, it was probably only looking at a £150 test. Why was he frightened to take it? Maybe he did take it, and
it failed so badly that he bought a Dutton instead, then swiitched the plates?
That was not my question, I said EVERYCAR but either way pure speculation on your behalf
BMW 7 Resource
Bures Pit anyone?
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kj
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| posted on 6/11/10 at 05:05 PM |
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What £150 test?
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interestedparty
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| posted on 6/11/10 at 06:10 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by bmseven
quote:
Originally posted by interestedparty
quote:
Originally posted by bmseven
Do these cases really need discussing on here,
Yes
Why to make yourselves feel better?
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No. Put forward some more sensible reasons as to why we are discussing it, and I will tell you which, if any, is the reason. Having said that,
don't se any particular need to answer "why are you discussing this subject" type questions. If the subject doesn't interest
you, why are you talking about it?
quote:
Originally posted by bmseven
are you seriously saying that every car that has passed SVA is better/safer than one that has not?
I'll answer that as soon as you tell me why the builder of this car realised that it wouldn't pass, and instead bought a Dutton
registration. Depending on when it was built, it was probably only looking at a £150 test. Why was he frightened to take it? Maybe he did take it, and
it failed so badly that he bought a Dutton instead, then swiitched the plates?
That was not my question, I said EVERYCAR but either way pure speculation on your behalf
I don't feel compelled to answer your questions, better to put forward rather more important questions such as those I posed above- mainly, why
hasn't it been SVA'd?
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Originally posted by kj
What £150 test?
The SVA test was £150, it went up when the IVA came in year and a half ago,
As some day it may happen that a victim must be found,
I've got a little list-- I've got a little list
Of society offenders who might well be underground,
And who never would be missed-- who never would be missed!
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daviep
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| posted on 6/11/10 at 11:37 PM |
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Why would somebody go down the "ringing" road???
How about this:
I spent several years building a BEC with no reverse, didn't think I would finish it before IVA came in. If I didn't get through SVA I
would have faced major redesign and major money needed. If that happened I would have tested for IVA failed, corrected any issues, retested, failed
again for no reverse. I would then have bought a log book happy that my car was safe.
As it happened I threw it together in time for SVA and passed first time 
Must be great being perfect, when are we going to start seeing "bet this didn't pass SVA/IVA like this" ???
Probably never, touch hypocritical I think.
Davie
“A truly great library contains something in it to offend everyone.”
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interestedparty
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| posted on 7/11/10 at 06:48 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by daviep
hypocritical
Personally I try to stick to the main points of an argument, prefer to avoid slagging off the other side, tends to weaken my argument if I do that.
Still, I suppose we all have our own opinions as to what is good argument technique.
As some day it may happen that a victim must be found,
I've got a little list-- I've got a little list
Of society offenders who might well be underground,
And who never would be missed-- who never would be missed!
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daviep
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| posted on 7/11/10 at 07:46 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by interestedparty
quote:
Originally posted by daviep
hypocritical
Personally I try to stick to the main points of an argument, prefer to avoid slagging off the other side, tends to weaken my argument if I do that.
Still, I suppose we all have our own opinions as to what is good argument technique.
Not entirely sure who you think I'm slagging?
What exactly was the main point of the argument?
If you change the registration from one vehicle to another then you end up with a vehicle which is differnt to that which was tested and
registered.
If you carry out "post SVA/IVA mods you end up with a vehicle which is differnt to that which was tested and registered.
How is it different, who checks and decides which modifications are OK and which aren't?, who decides what a major modification is or
isn't? What about the lots of small mods over a long period? Who decides when the vehicle isn't the same one?
Davie
“A truly great library contains something in it to offend everyone.”
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interestedparty
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| posted on 7/11/10 at 09:27 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by daviep
Not entirely sure who you think I'm slagging?
I'm not entirely sure either, you really didn't make yourself very clear when you suggested that the 'other side' of the
argument were being hypocritical.
As for the rest of it, I don't think we are going to be able to change your views on this subject, and you certainly aren't going to be
able to change mine, so I for one am going to drop out now, as I really haven't anything to add to what was said earlier.
As some day it may happen that a victim must be found,
I've got a little list-- I've got a little list
Of society offenders who might well be underground,
And who never would be missed-- who never would be missed!
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daviep
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| posted on 7/11/10 at 09:47 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by interestedparty
quote:
Originally posted by daviep
Not entirely sure who you think I'm slagging?
I'm not entirely sure either, you really didn't make yourself very clear when you suggested that the 'other side' of the
argument were being hypocritical.
As for the rest of it, I don't think we are going to be able to change your views on this subject, and you certainly aren't going to be
able to change mine, so I for one am going to drop out now, as I really haven't anything to add to what was said earlier.
Good stuff, we can save any of the other questions asked that were convieniently ignored for a later date.
Regards
Davie
“A truly great library contains something in it to offend everyone.”
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interestedparty
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| posted on 7/11/10 at 10:29 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by daviep
Good stuff, we can save any of the other questions asked that were convieniently ignored for a later date.
I was hoping that you would drop this fruitless argument too, but as you are not, perhaps I should make an attempt to answer these
"convieniently ignored" questions that you feel are relevant (and which I do not). Perhaps to make it easier you would be so good as to
lay them out on a 1, 2, 3 basis, and then I, or anyone else who feels inclined, will have a go at answering them.
As some day it may happen that a victim must be found,
I've got a little list-- I've got a little list
Of society offenders who might well be underground,
And who never would be missed-- who never would be missed!
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daviep
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| posted on 7/11/10 at 12:25 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by interestedparty
quote:
Originally posted by daviep
Good stuff, we can save any of the other questions asked that were convieniently ignored for a later date.
I was hoping that you would drop this fruitless argument too, but as you are not, perhaps I should make an attempt to answer these
"convieniently ignored" questions that you feel are relevant (and which I do not). Perhaps to make it easier you would be so good as to
lay them out on a 1, 2, 3 basis, and then I, or anyone else who feels inclined, will have a go at answering them.
You seem to be taking what started out as a bit of light hearted discussion very seriously, probably best if we do end the discussion now while we are
all still friends.
Enjoy the nice day.
Davie
“A truly great library contains something in it to offend everyone.”
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Peteff
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| posted on 9/11/10 at 08:34 PM |
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I think I'll build another Locost and register it as a Dutton so I can sell it on ebay and read about it on here 
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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kj
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| posted on 10/11/10 at 12:55 PM |
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Would you?
I don't think we have any right (or requirement) at all to 'lean' on someone to do the right thing. Once the vehicle is sold its not
their responsibility.
They have advertised it correctly and truthfully.
Law as it stands says you have to transfer three major components from the donor vehicle to retain the same description on the log book and therefore
the registration number, this includes the CHASSIS.... So if its not got little box sections or railway track held together by hope and prayer for a
chassis, its probably not a Dutton... I will leave you guys to work out what I will be doing at Stoneleigh next year...
The registrations of all the Duttons sold on ebay have been added to the club database along with the photo (which has been placed in the public
domain by using it on an ebay advert) When the database is fed into the home made ANPR unit..... Cue evil laughter...
Taken from Dutton owners club message boards, love this bit discribing a Dutton (So if its not got little box sections or railway track held together
by hope and prayer for a chassis, its probably not a Dutton... )
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interestedparty
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| posted on 10/11/10 at 03:19 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by kj
I don't think we have any right (or requirement) at all to 'lean' on someone to do the right thing. Once the vehicle is sold its not
their responsibility.
They have advertised it correctly and truthfully.
What we are saying is that there is only one reason why the car, which is not a Dutton, has been registered as a Dutton, and that is to avoid the
statutory test which was in force at the time it was built, SVA or IVA.
As soon as we know what it was about the car which meant it would fail, we can judge whether the original ringing was merely fraudulent or was
much worse.
As some day it may happen that a victim must be found,
I've got a little list-- I've got a little list
Of society offenders who might well be underground,
And who never would be missed-- who never would be missed!
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