deep blue
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| posted on 21/8/12 at 11:04 PM |
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Read this
I think everyone should read this, and start getting involved . Immediately
[ http://www.the-ace.org.uk/armageddon/]
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owelly
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| posted on 21/8/12 at 11:16 PM |
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This sort of thing often crops up and this one has been doing the rounds for a few weeks but I can't find any links to an official DfT document.
Usually links take you round in circles which end up in Brussels or sites/PDF documents which look like official sites, often translated to English
but having no mention of becoming law in the UK.
I'll sit up and take notice if I see something holding credibility. There's every chance there is evidence and I've missed it...
http://www.ppcmag.co.uk
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deep blue
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| posted on 21/8/12 at 11:30 PM |
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It as me convinced lets put it that way, as i said start getting involved.
off the ACE site
The Headline News
ACE has always been of the opinion that modifying of vehicles would eventually end by the ability to do so being slowly eroded by small pieces of
legislation rather than one single regulation.
We have unfortunately now been proved correct with a single item before the EC parliament that will prevent any modifying and will, currently, render
already modified cars illegal.
Without a large effort over the next 6 weeks this ’proposal’ will pass into law very shortly afterwards.
We have in our possession a questionnaire issued by DfT asking for views on the legislation and we feel it couldn’t make any clearer the end
outcome.
This is NOT a Consultation document as there are no active documents via VOSA or DfT relating to this legislation.
Quoting from the DfT document:-
The Commission proposes to introduce a definition for a roadworthiness test that components of the vehicle must comply with characteristics at the
time of first registration. This may prevent most modifications to vehicles without further approval of the vehicle. (this will apply to many
components and to all types of vehicle)
The Commission proposes to change the definition of an Historic Vehicle that may be exempt from periodic testing. This may allow vehicles older than
30 years to be exempt from testing providing the vehicle has been maintained in its original condition, including its appearance.
http://tinyurl.com/cpw5lnj
In the DfT interpretation it is all ‘proposes’ and ‘may’ .
However, as shown later in this article, This is going to happen unless a member of the EC Parliament forces reconsideration.
Normally a ‘proposal’ such as this would require a separate Consultation to be done with all interested parties. However this is not the case as this
‘proposal’ brings together various items already covered in previous Consultations. Again this will be dealt with in depth further on in this
article.
The proposal itself
http://ec.europa.eu/transport/doc/roadworthiness-package/com%282012%29380.pdf
ACE and several other organisations who we work with will input to DfT but that alone is not enough. We need EVERYONE to be made aware and bring all
possible pressure to bear to ensure this ludicrous ‘proposal’ does not pass into law.
All those who wish to be involved should contact us and we can discuss what is to be done to fight and also address any queries that need
resolving.
ACE shall be opening a forum to improve communication in the very near future, we are taking this step because we have very little time to go to other
forums to deal with queries due to such a short time frame.
The Details
How can it become law without Consultations taking place?
They have already taken place! The Consultation took place via a EU only website and was, to all intents and purposes purely to do with Roadworthiness
testing.
These are the other Consultations that have formed the backbone of this ‘proposal’
Directive 2009/40/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 6 May 2009 on roadworthiness tests for motor vehicles and their trailers (OJ L
141 of 6.6.2009, p.12).
Directive 2000/30/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 6 June 2000 on the technical roadside inspection of the roadworthiness of
commercial vehicles circulating in the Community, as amended (OJ L 203 of 10.8.2000, p.1).
Council Directive 1999/37/EC of 29 April 1999 of 29 April 1999 on the registration documents of vehicles (OJ L 138 of 1.6.1999, p.57).
COM(2011) 144 final.
COM(2010) 186 final.
COM(2008) 30 final.
Directive 2008/50/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 21 May 2008 on ambient air quality and cleaner air for Europe (OJ L 152,
11.6.2008, p.1)
http://ec.europa.eu/bepa/pdf/monti_report_final_10_05_2010_en.pdf
“An open consultation was conducted over the Internet from 29 July 2010 to 24 September
2010. The Commission received 9,653 responses from citizens, Member State authorities,
equipment suppliers, test centres, garage associations and vehicle manufacturers.”
This is the Consultation in question:-
http://ec.europa.eu/transport/road_safety/take-part/public-consultations/pti_en.htm
So how do things change with this ‘proposal’?
Firstly all vehicles other than clearly defined Historic must undergo a roadworthiness test and part of that will ensure that the vehicle meets its
original Type Approval, i.e. is totally standard.
“General context
Before a vehicle is allowed to be put on the market, it has to fulfil all the relevant type or individual approval requirements guaranteeing an
optimal level of safety and environmental standards. Every Member State has the obligation to register for the first time any vehicle that got the
European type-approval on the basis of the “Certificate of Conformity” issued by the
vehicle manufacturer.”
“….The goal of roadworthiness testing is to check the functionality of safety components, the environmental performance and the compliance of a
vehicle with its approval.”
Who is this going to affect?
Within the ‘proposal’ it states that: -
This Regulation shall apply to vehicles with a design speed exceeding 25 km/h of the following categories, as referred to in Directive 2002/24/EC,
Directive 2007/46/EC and Directive 2003/37/EC:
motor vehicles having at least four wheels, used for the carriage of passengers
and with not more than eight seats in addition to the driver’s seat – vehicle category M1,
motor vehicles used for the carriage of passengers and with more than eight seats, excluding the driver’s seat – vehicle category M2 and M3,
motor vehicles having at least four wheels, normally used for the road carriage of goods and with a maximum permissible mass not exceeding 3 500 kg –
vehicle category N1,
motor vehicles used for the carriage of goods and having a maximum permissible mass exceeding 3500kg – vehicle categories N2 and N3,
trailers and semi-trailers with a maximum permissible mass not exceeding 3500 kg – vehicle categories O1 and O2
trailers and semi-trailers with a maximum permissible mass exceeding 3500kg – vehicle categories O3 and O4
two or three-wheel vehicles – vehicle categories L1e, L2e, L3e, L4e, L5e, L6e and L7e
wheeled tractors with a maximum design speed exceeding 40 km/h – vehicle category T5.
Will anyone be exempt from being tested to original standard specification?
Once again within the ‘proposal’ This Regulation shall not apply to:
vehicles of historic interest
vehicles belonging to armed forces, fire services, civil protection, emergency or rescue services
vehicles used by agricultural, horticultural, forestry, farming or fishery undertakings with a maximum design speed not exceeding 40 km/h
specialised vehicles transporting circus and funfair equipment with a maximum design speed not exceeding 40 km/h and only operating on the territory
of the Member State.
So Historic vehicles won’t have to worry?
Within the UK we have a system that allows alterations to ANY, including Historic, vehicles whilst still allowing them to retain their identity. Known
commonly as the 8 point system and also we have the ability to change body appearance on chassis based vehicles.
However the ‘proposal’ contains a NEW EU wide Historic vehicle definition.
“(7) ‘vehicle of historic interest’ means any vehicle which fulfils all the following conditions :
It was manufactured at least 30 years ago,
It is maintained by use of replacement parts which reproduce the historic components of the vehicle;
It has not sustained any change in the technical characteristics of its main components such as engine, brakes, steering or suspension and
It has not been changed in its appearance;
”
This ties in with the FIVA definition ACE has been warning would become law, rather than being used as a ‘lobbying tool’ as suggested by others.
Why do you keep saying ‘proposal’ rather than Proposal?
Because this is anything but a Proposal which most would assume requires further consultation. This will pass into law very shortly .
The procedure for becoming law is :-
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/aboutparliament/en/0080a6d3d8/Ordinary-legislative-procedure.html
Once forwarded it only takes two readings by EU Parliament and EU Council without objection and it becomes law !!
The ‘proposal’ has already been forwarded to both Parliament and the Council as detailed here :-
http://tinyurl.com/ccjr93n
of document: 13/07/2012
of transmission: 13/07/2012; Forwarded to the Parliament
of transmission: 13/07/2012; Forwarded to the Council ”
This is NOT a drill, we repeat, NOT a drill.
[Edited on 21/8/12 by deep blue]
[Edited on 21/8/12 by deep blue]
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bi22le
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| posted on 22/8/12 at 07:50 AM |
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Its like that in Germany and it makes it very expensive to modify a car or do something unusual.
The Germans i spoke love and respect our modifying industry. If it ever happened then it would be a very sad day.
Track days ARE the best thing since sliced bread, until I get a supercharger that is!
Please read my ring story:
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/forum/13/viewthread.php?tid=139152&page=1
Me doing a sub 56sec lap around Brands Indy. I need a geo set up! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHksfvIGB3I
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designer
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| posted on 22/8/12 at 09:31 AM |
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If you have a 'modified' production car in Germany, all 'modifications' have to be put back to standard for the MOT.
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deezee
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| posted on 22/8/12 at 11:04 AM |
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Right, first off, have you actually read the document? These out of context, excerpts have been compiled to scare people and cause arguments. I
recommend you read the document, understand what they are discussing, which are perfectly valid points and then come back. Some of the documents
quoted have no bearing on motor vehicles and are just quoted in order to sound 'Official'
I'll simplify it all instead.
A) The EU wants to reduce the number of accidents from poorly maintained vehicles and trailers
B) They want all member states to have an proper recorded, MOT style test (We already comply)
C) THIS IS ALREADY IS UK LAW.... ITS CALLED AN MOT
D) This document is the document that allows for pre 1960 historic vehicles to have exemptions from the MOT.
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deep blue
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| posted on 22/8/12 at 09:22 PM |
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I have read it and understand it , that is why i posted on here because i know whats coming, i have no time for trouble causing or the like as
suggested. I just want the right to continue doing what i have done for 50 years. Not sit on the fence chirruping like a cock sparrow.
If you love cars and modifying them then do as i say and Get over to the ACE site and get involved, if you don't,
you can stay on here any yap till your hearts content get a few ego points but the end result if you do wont be nice for anyone on this site and Many
more. Look into this yourselves in depth really investigate it thoroughly don't tale The ACE orgs word for it, the findings will be exactly the
same believe me, but at least you will then perhaps be as motivated as me and then get involved.
[Edited on 22/8/12 by deep blue]
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deep blue
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| posted on 24/8/12 at 05:20 PM |
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http://cars.uk.msn.com/socialvoices/blogpost.aspx?post=c53aa272-0c7d-490c-94f8-ac3273f3dcc1
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deep blue
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| posted on 24/8/12 at 09:26 PM |
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[Edited on 24/8/12 by deep blue]
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