robertst
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| posted on 11/4/06 at 05:44 PM |
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donor legal stuff
i am getting extremely frustrated with all the legal procedures regarding my donor car.
i would like to know what you guys have done with your donors at the time of buying them and scrapping them.
i bought my sierra but did not change the ownership of the car (i.e: the car is still the seller's) but it has been unregistered from the motor
department (dont really know how to say the legal term in english, basically there are two types of unregistration... the temporary and the definitive
(i.e: scrapping it)). and to scrap it they say i cannot scrap it without all of its parts (i.e: i cannot use the engine, gearbox, etc,).
now i know laws are different in the UK than in spain, but i'd just like to know what the legal or other procedures are to dispose of the shell
once i exctracted the parts..
one other thing.. when scrapping the car, i cannot keep the licence plates or any other vehicle identification tags ( ??) so therefore i could not use
the parts from that car?!
AAAARGHHH! please i would be very grateful if someone could clarify this for me?
is there a chance that by the time i finish the locost, since it has all the parts from this sierra, the locost is legally owned byt he seller?
 extremely confused...
thank you!
Tom
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stevec
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| posted on 11/4/06 at 06:09 PM |
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I bought the donor.With V5,
Stripped it. including ALL ID, Even the floor chassis number.
Registered it in my name,Got new V5.
Put it on a SORN.
Then got a srappy fella to lift it and take it away.
Job done.
[Edited on 11/4/06 by stevec]
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robertst
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| posted on 11/4/06 at 06:20 PM |
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ok, and the scrap yard didnt make a fuss about you keeping the plates?
so would it be better to register it to my name then? thing is that to re register it, i have to pass the MoT again (which it wont) and do loads of
paperwork. and many people from the motor department told me i dont need to go through this as i am just using the car for parts and it is currently
not registered in the registry (DVLA in the UK?)....
but then again, i cant scrap the bloody car without all of its parts in it!
i just think the lady at the scrap yard didnt know what she was saying...
bloody country... these laws are made by a psychopath!
Tom
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stevec
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| posted on 11/4/06 at 07:35 PM |
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They just want the steel to send to China.
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ReMan
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| posted on 11/4/06 at 09:02 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by stevec
I bought the donor.With V5,
Stripped it. including ALL ID, Even the floor chassis number.
Registered it in my name,Got new V5.
Put it on a SORN.
Then got a srappy fella to lift it and take it away.
Job done.
[Edited on 11/4/06 by stevec]
Me to, exactly the same.
I might try and use the donors reg number if possible to, I might get away with it .......
www.plusnine.co.uk
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robertst
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 posted on 13/4/06 at 12:38 PM |
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ok so one last thing....
does my donor have to be registered in order to use the parts for my locost?
i think that would answer my dilemma...
please just a yes/no answer will do
thank you..
Tom
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DarrenW
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| posted on 18/4/06 at 08:46 AM |
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Answer to last question is Yes.
This is what i did very simply:
Bought donor and registered in my name.
Decalared the donor as SORN. (ie off road but NOT scrapped).
Stripped donor and scrapped shell but kept iD tags and V5 log book (i did NOT register the car as scrapped).
Built Kit car.
When i had Kit car inpected by DVLA presented the log book as proof that i owned the donor, this also served as reciept for donor bits.
After SVA i handed in the log book for donor car, DVLA then gave me age related plate and presumably declared the original donor as destroyed (im sure
there was a section i had to sign to say i had physically scrapped the donor remains such as shell etc).
Does this help?
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robertst
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| posted on 18/4/06 at 10:52 AM |
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EXACTLY WHAT I NEEDED TO KNOW!
see? i knew i had screwed up somewhere. now i have to register it in my name which will be a complete hassle cos i have to make it go through MoT
(which it wont) so i'll have to get cracking...
Thank you very very much Darren! 
TOm
Tom
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DarrenW
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| posted on 18/4/06 at 11:04 AM |
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Technically you havent screwed up - just havent completed the relevant stages in a standard order. All DVLA are concerned with are that cars are
correctly registered. The fact it doesnt exist right now isnt so much of a problem as long as you declare it SORN and get it put in your name. You are
simply holding onto the paperwork to assist in registering your new car later - at this stage the donor will then be deleted from the system.
In Uk you dont have to have the car MOT'd to get the car registered in your name. Just fill in appropriate sections of V5 and send it off.
Once it comes back in your name immediately apply for SORN on-line. (i tried to declare SORN and change name at same time - something went wrong and
car wasnt officially SORN for a while).
Another thing to consider later -
I used Sierra Donor. It had DOHC engine which was scrap. I used Pinto in the end which wasnt on the logbook. As the logbook serves as a reciept for
the donor engine i was going to get it put on log book so there was no probs with registration (ie getting enough points to qualify for age related),
i actually forgot!. My local DVLA were OK with this but some are more strict. So if you are going to use a different engine (car engine that is) it
could be worth sending the log book back in later and get the engine swapped over.
[Edited on 18/4/06 by DarrenW]
[Edited on 18/4/06 by DarrenW]
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robertst
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| posted on 18/4/06 at 11:10 AM |
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the car shouldnt need to be MoT'd but mine was on the equivalent of SORN when i bought it... so the "legal experts" here are telling
me that i need to MoT it because it has been off the road.... i just think they are trying to get more money out of me.
i'll just head directly to the motor department and DEMAND a transfer application....
thanks again darren!
Tom
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DarrenW
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| posted on 18/4/06 at 11:15 AM |
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Are you registering totally in Spain or is the donor UK based? This is where the confusion could be as the rules in Spain may be different. (ive just
seen your location).
Certainly in UK you can buy a SORN vehicle and re-register in your name. You just have to remember to re-SORN every 12 months. The reason they are
SORN is so that you can keep them off road with no MOT or TAX.
Re read the post and can see the build is in Spain. Iam not farmiliar with the unregistration process out there. It sounds like your donor is
officially scrapped so in theory you have obtained the parts from the scrap yard.
If you cannot get the V5 sorted another option is to buy another Sierra cheap, keep the V5 in your name and SORN (or spanish equivalent) and use that
log book for registration purposes later. If engine numbers dont match up just send new V5 off with correct number (this is what we do in UK if we put
new engine in our car).
It sounds like scrap yard is happy to take shell with no paperwork. You could then take more bits off donor no.2 and sell them on (eg) ebay.
Does this make sense?
[Edited on 18/4/06 by DarrenW]
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robertst
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| posted on 18/4/06 at 11:20 AM |
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no... see thats the epicenter of all my frustration, but also a bit of sadistic excitement... i'm in Spain where, to some degree, laws should be
similar due to the EU but they are not... everything is twice as difficult and takes twice as long to complete....
the car is spanish and i bought it from some spanish dude who also wanted to use the car for parts for some other project, but failed... so he sold it
to me.
[edit: no the car is not declared scrap.. its just SORN'd. the scrap yard does not want anything to do with the shell of the car.. it only wants
a complete car so THEY can strip it and sell the parts themselves... skivy wankers. they are only interested in making business and scrapping a heap
of metal is not business for them although that is their mission statement: "get rid of unwanted vehicles"... but anyways i think i can do
the preffered method of taking out all identifying marks, tear the shell apart and dump it in a skip or something (it acutally makes a whole lot more
sense than to do all the paperwork to scrap the poor bastd)]
[Edited on 18/4/06 by robertst]
Tom
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