speedy
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DUTTON V5's Be warned!
Many people out there have thought it clever in an atempt to avoid SVA to rob an old Dutton of its identity (obiously illegal)and then either cut-up
or sell on the rest of the car. How silly of you as every couple of weeks a Dutton is being re-united with its original identity leaving
aforementioned 'clever' person in a bit of a mess and with a nice chat with the boys in blue. Food for thought eh? 
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ChrisW
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| posted on 14/6/03 at 02:17 PM |
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How do the Dutton's get reunited with their V5s if they've been chopped up?? Best thing for a Dutton anyway even if you don't want
the V5 
Chris
My gaff my rules
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speedy
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| posted on 14/6/03 at 03:48 PM |
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It's quite easy if the car the registration is being used on bares no resemblance to a Dutton, the DVLA inspectors are getting quite good now
and know what to look for, even if the Dut has been scrapped the V5 will still be removed from the "ringed" vehicle and registered as
scrap, leaving someone in hot water for "ringing" a vehicle and being back to square one requiring an SVA test! shame
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paulf
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| posted on 14/6/03 at 09:38 PM |
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Surely if the V5 is used for a dutton with a seven type body and chassis it is not registered as scrapped. The car is just rebuilt in an improved form
and would still be a dutton.That would be the downside as im sure most people would rather admit to owning a locost than a Dutton.
Paul.
quote:
Originally posted by speedy
It's quite easy if the car the registration is being used on bares no resemblance to a Dutton, the DVLA inspectors are getting quite good now
and know what to look for, even if the Dut has been scrapped the V5 will still be removed from the "ringed" vehicle and registered as
scrap, leaving someone in hot water for "ringing" a vehicle and being back to square one requiring an SVA test! shame
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Ian Pearson
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| posted on 15/6/03 at 08:14 PM |
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quote:
Surely if the V5 is used for a dutton with a seven type body and chassis it is not registered as scrapped. The car is just rebuilt in an improved form
and would still be a dutton.That would be the downside as im sure most people would rather admit to owning a locost than a Dutton.
DEAD RINGERS!!
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James
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| posted on 17/6/03 at 05:22 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by speedy
Many people out there have thought it clever in an atempt to avoid SVA to rob an old Dutton of its identity (obiously illegal)and then either cut-up
or sell on the rest of the car. How silly of you as every couple of weeks a Dutton is being re-united with its original identity leaving
aforementioned 'clever' person in a bit of a mess and with a nice chat with the boys in blue. Food for thought eh?
Clearly this person is the re-incarnation of a dead dutton!!!
What in God's name are you on about?
How do they get "re-united with its original identity" ???
And when you say:
"the DVLA inspectors are getting quite good now and know what to look for"
what DVLA inspectors? Why would they inspect anything? The person who I know best who's done this just built it then got it MOT'd.
Where's the DVLA inspector come into it?
Anyway, I'm getting mine SVA'd but I'm interested in what you're talking about.
Cheers,
James
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speedy
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| posted on 17/6/03 at 10:01 PM |
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In the latest instance it is the police that are involved on behalf of the DVLA, but sometimes they will send there own people out to see if the
vehicle is the correct vehicle as described on the V5, the previous owner of the vehicle is getting a visit in the next few days as he says he still
owns the car when he obviously dosn't as someone else does, and he should know cos its sat on his drive. (what he means is that he owns the
identity and thinks he can use it on another car) The Identity will then be removed from him and returned to the vehicle that it came from, with
possible legal proceedings to follow. I'm not trying to cause any trouble but trying to make people aware of the risks involved and what about
insurance? what on earth do you describe the car as when it's clearly not a Dutton? the consequences of a major accident and no insurance would
be severe. I also think it is unfair to keep scrapping or taking the ID from duttons as they are getting thin on the ground and fair enough they may
not be the last thing in the syling and build quality stakes but they have introduced many people into the kit car world cheaply, Even Ted Marlow MD
of Ultima Sportscar once owned a Dutton and was quite fond of it. Does any of this help james?
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 17/6/03 at 10:17 PM |
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this does not read right. Are you talking about COPYING a dutton number? cos what would be on someone elses drive?
Think of it this way.
Buy a dutton from someone. Get the car and V5.
register it to yourself. Its now your car and you own a real dutton.
you then hack it to bits. You dont tell ANYONE AT ALL.
you now have no car, just the vin and reg numbers and a V5 that matches.
You open up your garage door, roll out your SEVEN replica (not a 355 replica or anything really different) and put the plates and vin on that.
You now have a car thats got the ID from the dutton, and the real one is now a fridge or a washing machine.
Now, I dont recon the average policeman knows a dutton from a locost.
I wouldnt reccomend this, but there is a whole industry in ringed cars and the real bad guys dont always get caught.
BTW - whats to stop anyone calling a locost a dutton - whos gonna sue?
atb
steve
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Ian Pearson
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| posted on 17/6/03 at 10:34 PM |
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I personally would rather be 100% legit, but if I were to have gone down the "DUTTON" route, my main concern would've been
insurance. Insurers nowadays look hard for an excuse not to shell out. As most self built cars are insured with specialist insurers, I would imagine
they know something about the kit car world.The chances of having your car inspected after an accident are slim as the repairs are likely to be done
by the owner. There are all sorts of possibilities. Being stopped by a plod who knows the difference?
Talking of plods, about two years into my build and halfway through the wiring!
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merlin
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| posted on 18/6/03 at 05:46 PM |
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insurance
When insuring mine I had to send photograps (3) with forms. It wouldn't take much to compare these in their database with a real dutton and
'spot the difference'. I did consider the 'dutton route' but I have now gone through the SVA and although a real pain in the
arse I am completely satisfied in the knowledge that i am driving a Locost which is correctly registered and insured as such.
shit happens! (but why always to me!!)
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greggors84
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| posted on 19/6/03 at 10:48 AM |
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Are duttons really cheap to insure or something? Why would you want to call your locost a dutton otherwise?
Chris
The Magnificent 7!
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ned
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| posted on 19/6/03 at 11:20 AM |
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greggors,
the reason why dutton v5's are popular is that you can buy an old dutton cheap, scrap it and keep its identity, hence not requiring an SVA when
you build your car, simply transfer the chassis/regsitration details, hence a "ringer".
This isn't legal, though is never going to be checked, unless you are in an accident and the car is inspected.
Ned.
beware, I've got yellow skin
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speedy
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| posted on 19/6/03 at 03:55 PM |
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I think you could be rather wrong there saying "it will never be checked unless you have an accident" very wrong indeed 
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ned
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| posted on 19/6/03 at 04:18 PM |
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well, doesn't bother me as I won't be using a dutton! I am curious to find out why it should be checked though. the only essential check
would surely be an mot? what other reason (than an accident) should your car be inspected?
anyways, all IMHO of course...
Ned.
beware, I've got yellow skin
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mad-butcher
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| posted on 19/6/03 at 07:10 PM |
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you buy a dutton register it in your
name put the plates on your locost get it Mot'd tax it notify swansea of a change of engine whats the hassle plods got more on his plate than
wiping swansea's arse, been changing plates on saabs for years if it's got a tax disc in the window and youve got an mot for that reg no
sweat
]tony
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 19/6/03 at 09:56 PM |
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I can certainly see a situation after an accident when a specialist insurance assessor from a kit car insurer comes to look at the car. To anyone in
the industry it will be pretty obvious its NOT a Dutton....
atb
steve
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Macca
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| posted on 20/6/03 at 04:25 PM |
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So is it one part, or the sum of all the parts the makes it a dutton?
How have some people kept the registration from their donnor?
Col
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Peteff
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| posted on 20/6/03 at 08:35 PM |
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I have recycled a few write offs in the past and if you rebody with a new shell the car retains its identity. What's the difference if
it's a home made body? I can't see a problem as long as it is the same configuration, 2 seater sports car. My car was built and SVAd
legally and retained the donor Sierra registration number by way of the points system. If you register a locost by any other name does it make it
illegal, mines a Lazarus. I think it's all a bit theoretical and somebody doesn't like to think someone's getting away with a trick.
If you built a locost or similar before SVA was necessary and pranged it would you have to put the replacement through a test or would you just stick
the old vin and plates on it and carry on as normal?
yours, Pete.
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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Ian Pearson
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| posted on 20/6/03 at 10:27 PM |
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I'm not at all bothered by anyone being able to beat the system, but I think that we're perhaps forgetting the whole point of the SVA
test?
Take someone who has little or no mechanical/construction/engineering experience, let them build their own car from scratch etc. Passes it's MOT
no problem. Said novice then takes car out on track days!!
Although no SVA test is going to be infallible until all welding is X Rayed etc, and the car is tested to destruction, it is still a better test of
construction techniques and a good safety net than an MOT. It should hopefully let people and their loved ones go out on the road and enjoy the fruits
of their labour and hopefully get home in one piece.
It is my feeling that if I were to have gone down that route, I would have been foolng nobody but myself. I'm sure that once I get my car
SVA'd, it will take some time before I am confident about my own construction, but I will have the added insurance that the car I'm in
will have been looked at and scrutinised by someone with far more knowledge and experience and than myself.
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 20/6/03 at 10:39 PM |
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I agree - I don't want to have to go through the SVA, but it's making me more dilligent, and I'll be so proud when it passes
(if...)
cheers,
David
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