balidey
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| posted on 26/2/07 at 03:33 PM |
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Getting a single seater road legal?
I've been thinking about my car project and I have a couple of questions before I commit to what I want to build.
Despite a lot of advice from others, I do want to build my own chassis (and as many other parts as possible) from scratch.
Obvious option is a Locost, or McSorley, or Tiger Avon, or the new Haynes seven.
But what I would like to do is something a little bit, err, different.
My first thought is one that several other people are talking about at the minute, a monocoque. I'm not wanting to start another debate here
about the pros and cons of this design or construction as I know what type of thing I want to do, which is along the lines of the Monopin.
So, my real question is, has anyone convereted a Monopin (or a Terrapin) to be road legal?
Has anyone converted a single seater race car to road use? What things am I likely to get stuck on?
Any major hurdles to getting to SVA that are not obvious? ie, anything thats different to putting a seven through SVA?
I am being drawn to the idea of a small single seater for road use. I like the look of the ERA HSS (made by Tiger) and something along those lines
would be nice. I'm not saying that is what I will be building as I am still a long way off. And before people start saying 'try buildnig a
seven first', I may well do that, but for now I would like to hear from anyone thats built one of these style cars for road use, or converted
one. Any links to threads?
Thanks,
Steve
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macnab
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| posted on 26/2/07 at 03:48 PM |
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have a look around this site, you will find that folk have already done this.
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balidey
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| posted on 26/2/07 at 03:50 PM |
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I have had a look round this site. Couldn't find anything relevant. Lots of arguing about fatigue strength of alloy monocoques  but no threads
on this topic, unless you can point me in the direction of any?
Thanks.
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nick205
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| posted on 26/2/07 at 03:54 PM |
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Check out Nitram38 on this forum - here's a pic of his self built road legal car...
(pic courtesy of Nitram's avatar!)
[Edited on 26/2/07 by nick205]
(I think his car was up for sale too)
[Edited on 26/2/07 by nick205]Image deleted by owner
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greggors84
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| posted on 26/2/07 at 04:09 PM |
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I cant think of anyone on this site who has converted a single seater race car for road use.
A few have made single seater or inline two seater race car lookalikes from scratch, but obviously this is different than converting one.
Try and get hold of a copy of an SVA manual so you can see what would be involved.
Depending on what single seater you choose you may have trouble getting the headlights high enough or the indicators near enough to the outside edge
of the tyres. I would imagine things like cycle wings can be done without too much hassle. It has been done in the past.
Ive attached a guide to passing SVA, its like a simplified SVA manual, should get you going.
Chris
The Magnificent 7!
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iank
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| posted on 26/2/07 at 04:20 PM |
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I've read about a number of Formula Fords that have been made road legal (not sure if this was pre-SVA though).
Things that are immediately obvious are lighting including the legal positioning requirements and some cycle wings. Suspension will have to be
covered and exterior projection requirements met. Instrumentation and switchgear will have to be upgraded (speedo/warning lights/indicator stalks).
All wiring/brake pipes etc will have to be fitted according to official p-clip spacings etc.
Hard bits to sort out might include seatbelt positions.
You will need the SVA manual far more than most builders.
Good luck.
--
Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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Phil.J
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| posted on 26/2/07 at 04:34 PM |
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One of the main problems with putting a 'real' single seater on the road is having to raise the ride height to something practical, and
totally wrecking the suspension geometry. You will be better off building one from scratch and make it something like the 'Rocket' which
came from Gordon Murray's light Car Company....look here
http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/frame.php?file=car.php&carnum=2403
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PAUL FISHER
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| posted on 26/2/07 at 05:14 PM |
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Or you could build one of Mr MK's new sprint-r's,Chris Mason,on this forum is building one,nearly 500bhp per ton,fitted with the new
R1engine.Cars can be built for around £6500,the next one they are building will be going through a Sva.Well worth a look if your thinking about a
single seater..jpg)
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JimSpencer
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| posted on 26/2/07 at 05:20 PM |
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Size
Hi
Having had a couple of single seaters I wouldn't recommend you started with one to modify into raod legal to be honest. I think you would be
much better off designing one from scratch.
If you have a look at most race chassis you'll be struck by just how tiny the cockpit actually is, making it useable as a road car would be
virtually impossible space wise.
But if you must..
The exception to this might just be an early formula renault, as these were made a bit larger for some reason and the engine/gear box combination is
bog standard road car stuff (wet sump I believe & a stock renault box with syncro etc etc.)
Ride height wise these cars normally operate at just over 40mm, so getting to 75mm ish should be on, by adjusting the suspension a bit and by taller
aspect ratio tyres.
As for SVA, you could probably sell tickets to watch the examiners reaction.
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nitram38
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| posted on 26/2/07 at 06:47 PM |
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I investigated this route, but there are issues regarding ride height plus the uprights are designed to break easily in accidents. Just remember that
a the suspension is a lot lighter in construction and will not stand the abuse of contious banging around our roads.
Mine is for sale if you want to take the short cut !!!!!!!!!!!!
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balidey
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| posted on 26/2/07 at 07:56 PM |
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Thanks gents,
Really useful info there.
Nitram, thanks for the offer, but i really want to do a scratch build.
Which means I should be able to take all the other valid points on-board about ride height, cockpit size, component strength.
Decisions, decisions.
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nitram38
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| posted on 26/2/07 at 08:32 PM |
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More like, if you haven't got much money, compromise, compromise !
You will find plenty of help here.
Good luck with build.
[Edited on 26/2/2007 by nitram38]
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