matt_claydon
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| posted on 22/6/08 at 05:42 PM |
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IVA manual (official release version) now available for download
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Edit: Final release versions now available
here.
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For kit builders, Basic IVA (bIVA) is the replacement for SVA, which is covered by the first section. Full IVA is more like the replacement for ESVA
and is covered by the rest of the manual.
Discuss...
[The discussion below mostly relates to the initial draft versions]
[Edited on 31/3/09 by matt_claydon]
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Mole
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| posted on 22/6/08 at 06:04 PM |
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At a glance it seems okay. Appears reverse is required and a horn.
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Stuart_B
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| posted on 22/6/08 at 06:11 PM |
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when will this take over from sva?
black mk indy, 1.6pinto on cbr600 bike carb's.
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kipper
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| posted on 22/6/08 at 06:20 PM |
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IVA
Item 17... must be fitted with a reverse gear . Gulp.
Kipper.
Where did that go?
<<<<
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donut
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| posted on 22/6/08 at 06:21 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Stuart_B
when will this take over from sva?
April 2009 i think
Andy
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/andywest1/
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Paul (Notts)
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| posted on 22/6/08 at 06:22 PM |
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The biggest change will be the cost!!!!
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blakep82
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| posted on 22/6/08 at 06:58 PM |
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hmm 
not bad for most of you, a quick flick through gives me a few problems though... better get my arse in gear and get this car SVA'd before march
next year...
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IVA manual link http://www.businesslink.gov.uk/bdotg/action/detail?type=RESOURCES&itemId=1081997083
don't write OT on a new thread title, you're creating the topic, everything you write is very much ON topic!
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RichieW
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| posted on 22/6/08 at 07:00 PM |
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It might stymie the fashion for BECs a bit. The bang for your buck wont be as good if you're having to pay for the reverse box type thing. (CEC
builder here so I don't know what they're called.) Plus the extra weight penalty.
Might as well have a pinto. 
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Mr Clive
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| posted on 22/6/08 at 07:12 PM |
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Will it be a case of reverse needed for IVA but not required for MOT? If so, I can imagine a few "falling off" after registration.
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RichieW
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| posted on 22/6/08 at 08:13 PM |
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I'm not up on the tech aspects but wouldn't that mean a new propshaft? Surely something extra's got to get between the rear diff and
the bike engine?
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ReMan
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| posted on 22/6/08 at 08:54 PM |
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Leccy reverse has got to be the cheapest, and least power sapping, if not the most reliable...
Perfect for the test then 
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 22/6/08 at 09:00 PM |
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There's a few new 'features' in this manual:
* Noise - down from 101dB to 99dB.
* Plastic fuel tanks have to be certified as fit for purpose.
* Horn
* Reverse (as discussed above)
* Reversing light defined (couldn't find out if it was now a required light)
* Two external mirrors will have to be fitted, plus the central internal one. (it used to be just the offside external + internal)
* Controls and warning lamps to be labelled (examples given).
* Space for rear number plate to be measured to make sure there's room, and that it can be seen from various angles.
* Wheel guards defined properly (affects front cycle wings mostly).
* VIN numbers defined (17 characters for us, but mass produced cars can have less).
I'm sure there's a few more gotchas in there.
[Edited on 22/6/08 by David Jenkins]
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RichieW
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| posted on 22/6/08 at 09:03 PM |
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So it's wang a zetec starter motor on to a toothed wheel on the propshaft from now on then?
Falls off on the way back from SVA?
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martyn_16v
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| posted on 22/6/08 at 10:10 PM |
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03A 7. Fuel Tanks must be positioned so as not to be vulnerable to damage from
protruding parts or sharp edges in the event of a front or rear impact (page 39). Could be a problem depending on the tester?
05 4. The steering angle must not be limited by any part of the steering transmission
system unless it has been specifically designed for this purpose (page 42). Presumably this means people fitting jubilee clips on the steering rack to
limit lock, or putting springs on to get some self centring...
13A 4. If fitted to the Vehicle, an Immobiliser must be accompanied by evidence of
compliance (page 76). No noddy chinese alarms off eBay then?
I like the manual better than the SVA one, i'm finding it a lot easier to navigate. Hopefully i'll be finished before IVA but i'm
tempted to build to the IVA manual anyway, it's easier to read 
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AndyGT
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| posted on 23/6/08 at 08:51 AM |
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"it must not be possible to manually adjust braking rates between axles" Page 55
does this mean that absolutely no brake biasing systems at all?
Could be difficult for some....
[Edited on 23/6/08 by AndyGT]
nothing is impossible
everything is possible
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AndyGT
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| posted on 23/6/08 at 09:01 AM |
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some evidence of a crumple zone too!!!!
Page 79
nothing is impossible
everything is possible
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martyn_16v
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| posted on 23/6/08 at 10:13 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by AndyGT
some evidence of a crumple zone too!!!!
Page 79
I thought that, but that entire annex has been copied and pasted from the SVA manual...
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iank
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| posted on 23/6/08 at 10:19 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by AndyGT
"it must not be possible to manually adjust braking rates between axles" Page 55
does this mean that absolutely no brake biasing systems at all?
Could be difficult for some....
[Edited on 23/6/08 by AndyGT]
Think that's unchanged. Thus the current requirement to lock a bias bar.
Is there anywhere the general public can comment/get clarification? There a a couple of things I don't find clear (yet) and will no doubt be
subject to tester 'opinion' for a while after introduction.
For example the 'information display' device could be applied to a bright 6 banning indicators/main beam/brake warning from the
same 'device'. But since tintops are allowed to have warning lamps in the same dash I think they are referring to something with a
LCD screen.
Second the fuel tank doesn't mention which 'required standards' are acceptable for plastic tanks, and on location what does "A
Fuel Tank must not be located in, or form part of the passenger compartment, or
other compartment integral with it." actually mean (if it's behind a sealed bulkhead behind the seat is it viewed to be in an
'integral' compartment, if so what defines the passenger compartment?)
--
Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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martyn_16v
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| posted on 23/6/08 at 12:41 PM |
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I wondered about the fuel tank location. MR2's have it in the 'transmission tunnel', is that considered integral to the passenger
compartment as it runs right down the middle of it?
It's the bit about the tank being mounted where it's reasonably safe from damage in an impact that worries me. On a seven the tank is
protected from a shunt by the rear panel only
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tks
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| posted on 23/6/08 at 05:06 PM |
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i see problems in the emissions...
its stated that if it cant pass a BET test it needs to do a stricter CAT1 test..
i say stricter because it states 1st sept 02 onwards)
well it means that engine proof will become more important.. then not???
Idle (450 to 1500rpm)
CO < = 0.5%
(1 st sept 02 onwards
CO < = 0.3%)
Fast Idle (2500 to 3000rpm)
CO <= 0.3%
(1 st sept 02 onwards
CO <= 0.3%
HC <= 200ppm (parts per million)
Labda > 0.97 and < 1.03
Effective date:
“Effective Date” The “effective date” used to
determine the criteria applicable is -
the date of manufacture of the vehicle, except
for an “Amateur Built” vehicle, a “Vehicle manufactured
using parts of a registered vehicle” or a “Rebuilt vehicle” it
shall be 1 January immediately preceding the date
of manufacture of the vehicle’s engine if this is earlier.
If the “effective date” cannot be determined,
it must be assumed to be on or after 1 August 1979.
has this changed...??
Tks
The above comments are always meant to be from the above persons perspective.
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matt_claydon
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| posted on 23/6/08 at 07:35 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by iank
Is there anywhere the general public can comment/get clarification?
You can comment by using the consultation response form here:
http://www.dft.gov.uk/consultations/open/typeapproval/
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chrisg
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| posted on 25/6/08 at 09:34 PM |
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You can also email your comments/observations toIVA consultation
I and a few others have asked about an exemption for bike engined cars for the reverse gear issue - If enough people raise the issue it might carry
some weight.
Cheers
Chris
Note to all: I really don't know when to leave well alone. I tried to get clever with the mods, then when they gave me a lifeline to see the
error of my ways, I tried to incite more trouble via u2u. So now I'm banned, never to return again. They should have done it years ago!
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iank
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| posted on 25/6/08 at 09:44 PM |
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Thanks for that.
I'll gather my thoughts and send them off as one email. As my concerns are mainly about clarification and heading off inconsistent tester
interpretations at kickoff hopefully I'll get a response - if I do I'll post it here.
However I suspect the reverse gear has been specifically introduced because of the BEC's so chances of getting it changed are probably slim.
Though no harm asking I guess.
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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paul the 6th
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| posted on 20/7/08 at 08:56 AM |
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ooh er. I've just signed up after months of day dreaming about building my own car (although I've been on the haynes and mig welding
forums for a while). Does anyone reckon I'd be able to complete a roadster before march 09 lol?
All jokes asside though, just wanted to say a quick hi and intro myself to the forums. I'll be watching this section and the consultation to see
how this will affect my build
Paul w
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Jesus-Ninja
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| posted on 7/8/08 at 08:35 AM |
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I've run the PDF through a pdf to html converter and zipped the output. It's a bit more portable, and most importantly I can now read it
on my PDA whilst it coninues to rain here in the new forrest! might be useful to others....
I can't vouch for the quality ofthe conversion, but first glances it looks ok. Unzip the file, then run the IVA.html file..
Suspension geometry tool here >>> http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=81376
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