interestedparty
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| posted on 5/11/10 at 07:52 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by steve m
in poo
I for one am not interested, if someone buys it, with out doing there homework, whos problem is it ??
I would think that it would be the problem of the person who bought it. Thing is, lots of people buy kit cars without knowing very much about them,
personally I think it is unfair of a seller to sell something as one thing if it's actually something else, and, as this thread shows, even some
skilled kit car enthusiasts can't tell the difference.
Would a loss adjuster be able to tell the difference, he might be trying a bit harder, and looking closer.?
Worst still, has the car been built properly, has anybody who knows about this stuff ever had a good look at it? Is the wiring safe (GRP burns if
it's set alight). Is all the fuel hose properly secure, is any of it disolving because it's not designed for petrol. The list goes on.
As some day it may happen that a victim must be found,
I've got a little list-- I've got a little list
Of society offenders who might well be underground,
And who never would be missed-- who never would be missed!
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blakep82
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| posted on 5/11/10 at 07:55 PM |
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^ ok, but what REALLY will posting ever car on ebay thats registered as a dutton do to stop the seller selling it?
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belgian2b
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| posted on 5/11/10 at 07:55 PM |
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quote:
Worst still, has the car been built properly, has anybody who knows about this stuff ever had a good look at it? Is the wiring safe (GRP burns if
it's set alight). Is all the fuel hose properly secure, is any of it disolving because
Well, we talk about a kit car , not a Toyota 
Gerardo
[Edited on 5/11/10 by belgian2b]
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interestedparty
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| posted on 5/11/10 at 08:07 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by blakep82
^ ok, but what REALLY will posting ever car on ebay thats registered as a dutton do to stop the seller selling it?
Nothing, nor will reporting it to ebay, and the DVLA doesn't have a system for receiving information about cases like this, and the police witll
say it's a matter for the DVLA.
This type of thread is a bit like trheads which complain about the government's doings. Nothing will stop whatever is being complained about,
but it is still a legitimate complaint, and if one person reads it and passes on the info to someone else, and stops them from making a big mistake,
then it's worth it. IMO.
As some day it may happen that a victim must be found,
I've got a little list-- I've got a little list
Of society offenders who might well be underground,
And who never would be missed-- who never would be missed!
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scootz
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| posted on 5/11/10 at 08:10 PM |
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The DVLA is obliged to act if informed...
I couldn't tell a Dutton from a Robin-Hood and have no proof that it is a ringer, so I can't report it. Will you!?
It's Evolution Baby!
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interestedparty
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| posted on 5/11/10 at 08:14 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by scootz
The DVLA is obliged to act if informed...
I couldn't tell a Dutton from a Robin-Hood and have no proof that it is a ringer, so I can't report it. Will you!?
It won't make any difference, I've tried it in the past. The seller justs responds that he has proof that it is what he says it is -ie
registration, chassis and engine numbers match the document, and the sale proceeds.
As some day it may happen that a victim must be found,
I've got a little list-- I've got a little list
Of society offenders who might well be underground,
And who never would be missed-- who never would be missed!
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scootz
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| posted on 5/11/10 at 08:19 PM |
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I'm guessing your last post relates to eBay... ???
I was more wondering if you would send DVLA an email reporting it?
I'd be interested to hear how you got on and what the outcome was...
[Edited on 5/11/10 by scootz]
It's Evolution Baby!
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Confused but excited.
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| posted on 5/11/10 at 08:20 PM |
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"It also needs a pedal box as the one fitted was useless as is the steering coloum as these are old Ford ones and not good."
Now he tells us!
Tell them about the bent treacle edges!
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Mark Allanson
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| posted on 5/11/10 at 08:21 PM |
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SVA/IVA is a good thing, stops crap cars getting on the road. This car may be really good, but if it was it would pass IVA and be legal, so we can
suspect that it isn't.
One high publicity death due to a bad, incorrectly registered car will bring down the whole house of cards, ruining the kitcar scene for everyone.
This should be reported and subsequently crushed.
If you can keep you head, whilst all others around you are losing theirs, you are not fully aware of the situation
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interestedparty
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| posted on 5/11/10 at 08:24 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by scootz
I'm guessing your last post relates to eBay... ???
I was more wondering if you would send DVLA an email reporting it?
I'd be interested to hear how you gone on and what the outcome was...
DVLA doesn't have a system for reporting this stuff, I've tried it in the past. Have a go yourself if you don't believe me, no need
to actually send it off, just see if you can find a suitable page and web form. If you do, then link it here and I will report it, but it will mean
that either I was looking in the wrong place before, or they have changed it.
I did try using the nearest form available, but the result was the same as the ebay one.
quote:
Originally posted by Mark Allanson
SVA/IVA is a good thing, stops crap cars getting on the road. This car may be really good, but if it was it would pass IVA and be legal, so we can
suspect that it isn't.
One high publicity death due to a bad, incorrectly registered car will bring down the whole house of cards, ruining the kitcar scene for everyone.
This should be reported and subsequently crushed.
Damn right!
[Edited on 5/11/10 by interestedparty]
As some day it may happen that a victim must be found,
I've got a little list-- I've got a little list
Of society offenders who might well be underground,
And who never would be missed-- who never would be missed!
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Paul TigerB6
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| posted on 5/11/10 at 08:26 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by blakep82
^ ok, but what REALLY will posting ever car on ebay thats registered as a dutton do to stop the seller selling it?
No it wont - but at least any fellow member on here will be wary of buying that particular (illegally registered) car. As stated, Dutton didnt make a
se7en shaped chassis and any modifications to change what may have originally been a Dutton chassis to make it into a se7en shape renders the original
registration invalid.
Simple fact - whether it started out as a Dutton or not - that car is now illegally registered unless someone put it though SVA after the
"modifications" or it was done pre SVA.
There's a simple reason why all these ringers end up on Ebay!!!
[Edited on 5/11/10 by Paul TigerB6]
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scootz
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| posted on 5/11/10 at 08:31 PM |
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CONTACT DVLA LINKY
It's Evolution Baby!
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interestedparty
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| posted on 5/11/10 at 08:35 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by scootz
CONTACT DVLA LINKY
Waste of time. Tried it before.
The thing is, the DVLA doesn't regard this type of problem as anything they need worry about, and don't have a system to deal with it. Nor
does VOSA.
Even a VIC wouldn't pick up a ringer like this, the guys who do them are not as skilled as the people here, yet only a few of us are able to
state categorically that it isn't now, and never has beeen, a Dutton
[Edited on 5/11/10 by interestedparty]
As some day it may happen that a victim must be found,
I've got a little list-- I've got a little list
Of society offenders who might well be underground,
And who never would be missed-- who never would be missed!
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scootz
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| posted on 5/11/10 at 08:39 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Paul TigerB6
Simple fact - whether it started out as a Dutton or not - that car is now illegally registered unless someone put it though SVA after the
"modifications" or it was done pre SVA.
There's a simple reason why all these ringers end up on Ebay!!!
You used the word UNLESS in your statement Paul... this indicates that you accept there may be an explanation.
To avoid confusion... I agree that ringing cars is wrong on a whole number of levels, but there just might be an explanation for this
particular car not looking like a Dutton, but being registered as one. I just don't think it's fair to be judge, jury and executioner
without knowing ALL of the facts surrounding a particular car.
It's Evolution Baby!
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handyandy
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| posted on 5/11/10 at 08:41 PM |
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I,m quite surprised by the "debate" that this thread has created, it appears that members are, in a way arguing about whether it is or
isn,t a ringer,
I,m fairly new to "The kit car world" & know the difference between a Dutton & a 7 style car & know that Dutton didn,t make a
car that looks like the one being discussed.
IF, thats not a ringer then its very close to it IMO,
cheers
andy
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Paul TigerB6
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| posted on 5/11/10 at 08:44 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by scootz
quote:
Originally posted by Paul TigerB6
Simple fact - whether it started out as a Dutton or not - that car is now illegally registered unless someone put it though SVA after the
"modifications" or it was done pre SVA.
There's a simple reason why all these ringers end up on Ebay!!!
You used the word UNLESS in your statement Paul... this indicates that you accept there may be an explanation.
Killing your wife is illegal too UNLESS you're an Iranian (in Iran) and find your wife with another man whilst having 4 witnesses. There we go -
an explanation as to how murder is legal.
99.9% chance then that the car is a ringer
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Mr G
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| posted on 5/11/10 at 08:46 PM |
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http://www.boards2go.com/boards/board.cgi?action=read&id=1272349312&user=dutton&page=9
Normal is getting dressed in clothes that you buy for work and driving through traffic in a
car that you are still paying for - in order to get to the job you need to pay for the clothes
and the car, and the house you leave vacant all day so you can afford to live in it.
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handyandy
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| posted on 5/11/10 at 09:11 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Mr G
http://www.boards2go.com/boards/board.cgi?action=read&id=1272349312&user=dutton&page=9
interesting linky,
says it all really .
cheers
andy
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scootz
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| posted on 5/11/10 at 09:12 PM |
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Certainly opened my eyes... sad state of affairs!
It's Evolution Baby!
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interestedparty
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| posted on 5/11/10 at 09:19 PM |
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I could understand having an argument about the identity of a car if one side was saying "it isn't X because of A, B and C" and the
other side was saing "it is X because of D, E and F"
But this argument is one where one side is saying "it isn't X because of A, B and C" and the other side are saying "maybe it
is X, and it isn't fair to say it might not be".
So I think the time has come for people to put forward reasons as to how it could possibly be a Dutton, rather than to just say that it might be. BTW,
saying it used to be a Dutton won't work, because if the chassis had been altered that much then it would have needed SVA/IVA, and the owner
would not have been allowed to register it under the original name.
The car we are talking about is NOT a Dutton, it IS a ringer. It has had a false identity applied to it in order to avoid the SVA/IVA test, and for no
other reason.
As some day it may happen that a victim must be found,
I've got a little list-- I've got a little list
Of society offenders who might well be underground,
And who never would be missed-- who never would be missed!
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scootz
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| posted on 5/11/10 at 09:46 PM |
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I have to put my hands up to having thought that if a cars components had been changed over the years and each change was declared in the appropriate
manner then the car would still retain its original identity.
Every day's a school day I suppose!
It's Evolution Baby!
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Mr G
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| posted on 5/11/10 at 09:58 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by interestedparty
It's not a Dutton. If you know Dutons you can indeed see that from looking at the ad. Have a look at some Duttons and see if you can see any
with a bend in the body side.
quote:
Originally posted by Paul TigerB6
As stated, Dutton didnt make a se7en shaped chassis
Your forgetting that duttons were the original lotus ssc replica manufacturers before westfield et all
THIS thread made me laugh 
Here's a dutton B type chassis with bottom chassis rail going inwards.
Yes the ebay one is a ringer.
[Edited on 5/11/10 by Mr G]
Normal is getting dressed in clothes that you buy for work and driving through traffic in a
car that you are still paying for - in order to get to the job you need to pay for the clothes
and the car, and the house you leave vacant all day so you can afford to live in it.
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scootz
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| posted on 5/11/10 at 10:03 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Mr G
THIS thread made me laugh
Why? Was it a Dutton!?
It's Evolution Baby!
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Mr G
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| posted on 5/11/10 at 10:09 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by scootz
quote:
Originally posted by Mr G
THIS thread made me laugh
Why? Was it a Dutton!?
The fact that people didn't like the looks of the lotus S4 and highlighted the chassis's downfalls means Mr Dutton created a spot on
replica
Normal is getting dressed in clothes that you buy for work and driving through traffic in a
car that you are still paying for - in order to get to the job you need to pay for the clothes
and the car, and the house you leave vacant all day so you can afford to live in it.
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scootz
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| posted on 5/11/10 at 10:14 PM |
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Wasn't the best looking thing Lotus ever put out!
It's Evolution Baby!
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