Blakey_boy
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| posted on 4/8/07 at 07:00 PM |
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Schu cheated on I think at the Aussie GP some years ago to sink Damon Hill by ramming him from behind so, robbing him by 2 points of winning the F1
Drivers Championship. (Although I may be wrong on that subject I do recall something happening like that).
Alonso up to time wasting tactics would be nothing unusual given the circumstances the stupid petulant brat is in at present, after a younger and what
seems to be a better driver in the same car taking over in the lead for F1 and getting podium finishes every time. The bloke is nothing but consistent
so far.
Yes I know he is the current world champion but, when a driver comes along who is as good as him then and only then do a lot of european drivers tend
to throw a paddy and chuck their toys out of their prams quicker than you can blink.
[Edited on 4/8/07 by Blakey_boy]
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bob
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| posted on 4/8/07 at 07:29 PM |
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A good point we might have all missed here is the fact that when alonso held hamilton up in the pit lane he was 2nd on the grid, the only benefit
would be if alonso posted a faster time and he did.
I still think he was wrong though as he could have shot himself in the foot and could have been sharing row 1 with another team (ferrari/BMW), as it
stands lewis will just do as he is told so alonso just has to point the car at the chequered flag.
Big gamble but it payed off as long as he wakes up in the morning.
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Blakey_boy
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| posted on 4/8/07 at 07:48 PM |
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And if Hammy wins on Sunday then will there be humble pie eaten and an apology for the tactics by Alonso??
I THINK NOT...........
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skydivepaul
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| posted on 4/8/07 at 08:02 PM |
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schumacher was a cheating git, but he did it against his rivals not his team mates.
I know technically hamilton is Alosno's rival but he is also his team mate. there will come a time when he will need Hamiltons help
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bob
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| posted on 4/8/07 at 08:34 PM |
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I was thinking (which can be dangerous) if lewis didnt make that attempt at another fast lap and coasted back into the pits does this mean he has at
least another 2 laps in his tank.
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I love speed :-P
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| posted on 4/8/07 at 09:16 PM |
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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/61368
Don't Steal
The Government doesn’t like the competition
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bob
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| posted on 4/8/07 at 09:49 PM |
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I would call the autosport press release ........... interesting 
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Petemate
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| posted on 4/8/07 at 10:01 PM |
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Still smells to me - I think Ron is playing it down and confusing everyone with science. The body language on ALL those involved says it all. No
amount of scientific explanation can detract from body language. I hope Lewis walks away with it.
Pete
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Brooky
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| posted on 4/8/07 at 10:19 PM |
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ITV news just said Alonso has been dropped 5 places by the race stewards.
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craig1410
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| posted on 4/8/07 at 10:59 PM |
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Sorry to be the unsilent minority here but I don't think Alonso did anything on purpose to screw up Lewis's lap. It's possible that
his engineer saw an "opportunity" but in my mind McLaren were cutting it pretty damned fine to get both drivers across the line before the
chequered flag. Even with no delay from Alonso, Lewis would only have made it by 5 or 6 seconds and I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have been
able to follow a normal out lap pace profile even at that. I think the story about Lewis being out of sequence may well be true and may well have been
the cause of the whole debacle.
Ron's reaction may have been due to him not knowing all the facts at the moment he threw his headset off and he was professional enough not to
speculate before talking to all involved.
I dare say we'll get more detail tomorrow but I'm going to give Alonso the benefit of the doubt in the meantime. He didn't look as
sheepish as I believe he would have done if he had stitched Lewis up as has been suggested.
On last thing - my initial reaction when I saw the session today was that Alonso had held up Hamilton and I have to say I thought it was highly
entertaining! It's about time the characters in F1 became a bit more 3 dimensional and a bit less boring. I loved the spat between Alonso and
Massa too. I also recall the time when Senna punched Eddie Irvine in the gravel trap (oo er!) and when Michael Schu went after DC after he ran into
the back of him in Belgium in the rain. We need more of this sort of stuff, not less!
Cheers,
Craig.
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UncleFista
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| posted on 4/8/07 at 11:44 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by jos
How brilliant a mind to make sure he didnt cut off his nose to spite his face.
He wasn't quite as brilliant as he thought he was. I'm sure there's a joke in there somewhere, "My F1 driver has no nose. How
does he smell ? Like a cheating loser etc..."
quote:
Originally posted by Volvorsport
theres no rule to say you have to go when they lift the lollipop .
Not specifically, but there are rules against impeding other drivers, it doesn't say impeding other drivers only on the track, I'm sure
it'll apply in the pit lane too...
[Edited on 5/8/07 by UncleFista]
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Petemate
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| posted on 5/8/07 at 07:47 AM |
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I've just read the full Stewards' report. Deffo Alonso in the wrong. Anyone still supporting Alonso should read the report.
End of.
Pete
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britishtrident
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| posted on 5/8/07 at 08:50 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Volvorsport
its not cheating - its playing the game - theres no rule to say you have to go when they lift the lollipop . its unsportsmanlike , but , to win you
have to be ruthless , senna was like that too .
Fangio wasn't
Phil Hill wasn't
Jim, Clark wasn't
Graham Hill wasn't
Jackie Stewart wasn't
Mario Andretti wasn't
Ronnie Petterson wasn't
Fittipaldi wasn't
James Hunt wasn't
Nicki Lauda wasn't
the list goes on
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britishtrident
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| posted on 5/8/07 at 09:10 AM |
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How things have changed
Four decades back the all the F1 cars were transported out to the US grandprix at Watins Glen in a single 707 aircraft chartered by FOCA. This
mean't that only 16 cars could be transported out --- 2 per team. This gave Lotus who had only one driver (Jim Clak) a spare car.
John Surtees Ferrari was damaged in transit and as the team didn't have a spare car and were waiting for spares Surtees ask Colin Chapman for
the use of Jim Clark's spare car for the practice session, Chapman & Clark considered it but refused giving as a reason the unreliability of
the BRM H16 engine.
Apparently Surtees wasn't to pleased but Jim Clark went on to win the only victoryfor a BRM H16 powered car in the spare car.
[Edited on 5/8/07 by britishtrident]
[Edited on 5/8/07 by britishtrident]
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Rob Palin
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| posted on 5/8/07 at 10:16 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Petemate
I've just read the full Stewards' report. Deffo Alonso in the wrong. Anyone still supporting Alonso should read the report.
End of.
Pete
Jeez, patronising much?
Did you not spot the bit at the start of the stewards report which stated that Hamilton was repeatedly asked by the team to let Alonso past but
refused? His excuse was that Raikkonen was close but all the teams have real-time GPS monitoring of the traffic on the track so they'll have
been very aware of that and the positions of everyone else too, putting them in a much better position than Hamilton to see the bigger picture.
McLaren have many, many more years of experience than Hamilton in judging track strategies so he probably should have done as he was told. Hamilton
chose to disobey repeated team instructions to the detriment of Alonso, who then retaliated, just in a much more conspicuous and cheap way.
They were both paying silly buggers, just as they have been all year with their intra-team power struggle.
"Middle of."
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Petemate
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| posted on 5/8/07 at 11:06 AM |
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Sorry - still doesn't excuse Alonso sitting there after the lollipop was raised.
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Rob Palin
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| posted on 5/8/07 at 01:58 PM |
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I wasn't suggesting that it excused Alonso's poor sportsmanship, i meant that neither of them behaved correctly. I'd much prefer to
see them wheel to wheel on track than messing around with all this gamesmanship crap.
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Petemate
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| posted on 5/8/07 at 03:59 PM |
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Rob - I fully agree mate, petty behaviour within team, hasn't done the sport a lot of good.
Pete
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tks
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| posted on 5/8/07 at 04:53 PM |
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Yeah and you KNOW it was his fault.He violated the internal stragedy he needed to let pass Alonso and he didn't, they gave Alonso used tyres
wich he asked explanation for also they said he waited for traffic pass....
well read this!:link
it sais everything..
ahh another thing alonso was pretty lucky he managed to enter his flying lap by 0,6Seconds sow that was deff not planned..
The above comments are always meant to be from the above persons perspective.
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tks
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| posted on 5/8/07 at 04:54 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Petemate
I've just read the full Stewards' report. Deffo Alonso in the wrong. Anyone still supporting Alonso should read the report.
End of.
Pete
Where can we read that??
linky?
tks
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Rob Palin
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| posted on 5/8/07 at 05:48 PM |
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The news item has dropped off the main page but you can still read the Stewards' decision here:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/61373
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Blakey_boy
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| posted on 6/8/07 at 11:17 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Blakey_boy
And if Hammy wins on Sunday then will there be humble pie eaten and an apology for the tactics by Alonso??
I THINK NOT...........
I have just got up after working 16 hours yesterday and missing the race and result. Any further comments from my last one????
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cossey
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| posted on 6/8/07 at 05:19 PM |
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after the race everyone was a bit quiet. Hammy had had enough time to calm down and had realised by then the disobeying team orders and swearing at
the boss wasnt a good idea and he was in for a rough time when they got back to woking.
I think both drivers are going to get a probably well deserved b*llocking over this.
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