focijohn
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The point in IVA.
Im sure that this has been bought up before but I've been burrying my head in the sand about the whole IVA lark. Just had a quick scroll through
and apart from the exhaust having to be covered i cant see much change (please correct me). I was just wondering what the point in it, besides a way
to get more money off people who are using their heads instead of going out Friday - Tuesday getting drunk, fighting/causing damage etc etc... seems
like they are trying to peanalize the worng people yet again?
If there is any press releases re this could someone send me a link because i would really like to see the thinking and logic behind this!
I use the word logic very loosely.
Cheers
John
[Edited on 4/2/09 by focijohn]
Anyone going slower than you is an idiot. Anyone going faster than you is a maniac.
Too many targets but too few bullets.
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blakep82
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| posted on 4/2/09 at 08:46 PM |
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lol yeah, been wondering the same thing myself. can't see any justification for the price increase.
was going to ask the same question, but expected answers of 'its for everyone's safety' etc which is fine, but it seem to me to just
be another step to push out self built cars. first SVA, then tigheten it up and put the price up with IVA, what next?
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 4/2/09 at 08:47 PM |
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I hate to say it, and I know I'll get some flak, but I always thought that the SVA was cheap - up to 4 hours of skilled technician's time,
plus all the testing infrastructure? Try getting that sort of service elsewhere for the current cost of an SVA!
For that matter - try getting 4 hours of grease-monkey time at your local main stealer... see how much change you get out of £500...
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mccsp
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| posted on 4/2/09 at 08:48 PM |
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I spoke to one of the guys at Luego the other day. He lead me to believe that the need to cover the exhaust has been removed from the draft IVA
regs.
Are there any changes to the fuel tank location or materials?
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focijohn
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| posted on 4/2/09 at 08:55 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mccsp
I spoke to one of the guys at Luego the other day. He lead me to believe that the need to cover the exhaust has been removed from the draft IVA
regs.
Are there any changes to the fuel tank location or materials?
Agh i was reading through a draft i have downloaded before christmas (Nov).
I agree with you David but surly someone must have thought about this before hand? How longs SVA been around now? And at £125/hr thats Land Rover
prices 
Anyone going slower than you is an idiot. Anyone going faster than you is a maniac.
Too many targets but too few bullets.
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RichardK
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| posted on 4/2/09 at 08:56 PM |
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Mmmm I agree with David, at the end it was cheap, at the launch of the sva it was about right but then never rose in line with inflation etc so at the
end was a bargain imo
Think the IVA cost has just alighned itself again, so take your time with your build and if you take long enough it'll seem cheap again 
Just my two penneth
Rich
Gallery updated 11/01/2011
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blakep82
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| posted on 4/2/09 at 08:57 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by David Jenkins
I hate to say it, and I know I'll get some flak, but I always thought that the SVA was cheap - up to 4 hours of skilled technician's time,
plus all the testing infrastructure? Try getting that sort of service elsewhere for the current cost of an SVA!
For that matter - try getting 4 hours of grease-monkey time at your local main stealer... see how much change you get out of £500...
no flak, you do make a pretty good point. the only thing i can think of, is a mechanic is 'supposed' to fix your car, the SVA man is only
really having a good look at it :p
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oldtimer
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| posted on 4/2/09 at 09:09 PM |
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I have to say there are really not many changes for 'us', but are other vehicles affected more by the IVA maybe? Are we able to confirm
that exposed exhausts are OK?
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Confused but excited.
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| posted on 4/2/09 at 09:23 PM |
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It's so that those of us that don't spend our money on alchohol like we are supposed to, in order to generate tax, so that those in power
can play at being a world power, can make the same contribution to two wars, as the wee heads.
Tell them about the bent treacle edges!
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 4/2/09 at 09:34 PM |
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As a matter of interest - does anyone know how much VOSA charge for the annual HGV inspections? That's their main business at the test sites,
when all's said & done.
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cjtheman
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| posted on 4/2/09 at 09:35 PM |
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correct me if i am wrong but a sva tester is just like a mot tester find the faults for you but cannot correct them
so if an mot test is £50 ish an it takes an hour to complete
4hrs for a sva that makes it £200
any more and all they are doing is ripping off the builder
rant over ( its cold in the shed but still trying to beat the law change ) 
wanted
sunny weather
sva pass 12/6/09
taxed 16/6/09
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iank
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| posted on 4/2/09 at 09:41 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by oldtimer
I have to say there are really not many changes for 'us', but are other vehicles affected more by the IVA maybe? Are we able to confirm
that exposed exhausts are OK?
Current draft (v3) still has requirement for:
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There must be no exposed part of the vehicle manifold, header pipes, silencer or Catalyst that can be contacted with a 100mm sphere. See note
2
Note 2: This requirement is to prevent other road users being seriously burnt by coming in contact with these extremely hot components that on an
“Approved” vehicle would normally be covered by body work.
It's in the 01 Noise section.
Later in 16 Exterior Projections it states
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(only where the tail pipe protrudes from under the body – side mounted exhausts may actually provide the points of contact that form floor
line).
and
In the case of side mounted exhausts the tailpipe must terminate no more than 50mm from the extreme outer edge of the vehicle.
So it's clear that side mounted exhausts not covered by bodywork ARE allowed. But they must have some kind of guard to prevent people touching
them accidentally - something like the one on Mark Allanson's car would seem to fit the bill.
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
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designer
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| posted on 4/2/09 at 10:42 PM |
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You have to call it something else in order to vastly increase the price!!
Standard government revenue collection tactics.
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FEZ1025
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| posted on 4/2/09 at 10:45 PM |
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But if this was a 'real' test & not just a revenue exercise then the car would be tested correctly. All ball joints, bearings, tyre
depths etc. etc. etc would be part of the test. The 2.5mm rule is just a farce, the car can fail on a switch front being 2mm but pass with 4 bald
tyres.
Alan...
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NigeEss
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| posted on 4/2/09 at 10:56 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by David Jenkins
As a matter of interest - does anyone know how much VOSA charge for the annual HGV inspections? That's their main business at the test sites,
when all's said & done.
Between £51 and £96 depending on number of axles.
And you do half the test for them ( you sit in and press brakes, wiggle steering, lights etc)
Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so.................Douglas Adams.
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FEZ1025
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| posted on 4/2/09 at 11:01 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by NigeEss
And you do half the test for them ( you sit in and press brakes, wiggle steering, lights etc)
Just like a SVA then LOL
Alan..
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blakep82
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| posted on 4/2/09 at 11:04 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by FEZ1025
quote:
Originally posted by NigeEss
And you do half the test for them ( you sit in and press brakes, wiggle steering, lights etc)
Just like a SVA then LOL
Alan..
mmm, but a lot cheaper....
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DorsetStrider
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| posted on 4/2/09 at 11:50 PM |
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I was talking to my (sorta) local SVA man the other day and he left me with the impression that the price increase is to bring the price inline with
the price for HGV's, buses etc.
If this is correct it could be argued that it's only fair that everyone pay the same price.
Who the f**K tightened this up!
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robinj66
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| posted on 4/2/09 at 11:55 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by focijohn
Im sure that this has been bought up before but I've been burrying my head in the sand about the whole IVA lark. Just had a quick scroll through
and apart from the exhaust having to be covered i cant see much change
The major changes are that the noise level is now 99dB ; you need headrests ; you need a reverse gear ; your tyres must now be road legal ; you need a
working horn.
There's bound to be something obvious that I have forgotten
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speedyxjs
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| posted on 5/2/09 at 07:10 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by robinj66
quote:
Originally posted by focijohn
Im sure that this has been bought up before but I've been burrying my head in the sand about the whole IVA lark. Just had a quick scroll through
and apart from the exhaust having to be covered i cant see much change
The major changes are that the noise level is now 99dB ; you need headrests ; you need a reverse gear ; your tyres must now be road legal ; you need a
working horn.
There's bound to be something obvious that I have forgotten
Is it 99db or 97db? The legal road tyres is a good one (i thought the SVA 'pass with bald tyres' was abit stupid)
How long can i resist the temptation to drop a V8 in?
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iank
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| posted on 5/2/09 at 09:08 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by robinj66
quote:
Originally posted by focijohn
Im sure that this has been bought up before but I've been burrying my head in the sand about the whole IVA lark. Just had a quick scroll through
and apart from the exhaust having to be covered i cant see much change
The major changes are that the noise level is now 99dB ; you need headrests ; you need a reverse gear ; your tyres must now be road legal ; you need a
working horn.
There's bound to be something obvious that I have forgotten
All switches and warning lights need symbols, harder to pass with a plastic tank. Need a finger/leg guard on the exhaust system.
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 5/2/09 at 12:16 PM |
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I know that many think that the SVA is a farce, costs too much, is a PITA, and so on - but just consider the alternative...
In many European countries it is just not possible to register a home-built car for use on the road (unless you are prepared to put one through
homolgation, which is hugely expensive and involves crash testing!). It's a bit easier in Australia, but they have to get an automotive
engineer to approve the design and build - which costs a fair bit, but it is reasonably affordable.
At least our system gives a legal way to get our cars on the road - and it gets a fairly decent inspection before it gets there. Knowing how this
government can put an end to things just because it's inconvenient to them, I think we should count our blessings.
...just my 2p's worth...
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mad_dogpompey
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| posted on 10/2/09 at 05:27 PM |
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think the point is guys that the really tallented guy at the main dealer gets mmmmmmmm about 15 pounds of that an hour. mr ford or mr landrover gets
the rest! as with the sva mr brown gets the difference!!!!!!!! and can anyone tell me if bike engined cars are still gonna be ok or will they have to
have a reverse!?
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