spunky
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 posted on 23/4/04 at 08:20 AM |
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Just thinking aloud.
Something I picked up on the Yahoo forum.
Have any of you heard about, or looked at using a Subaru engine in a Locost chassis.
Having never spent any time with one I know nothing of the layout other than it's a flat four.
An MK Indy/Subaru 4x4... now that would be something...
John
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 23/4/04 at 08:37 AM |
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I have seen under the bonnet of my mates new impretza.
You gotta be joking! Its really really wide, ad looks little like a conventional engine - more like summat out of the back of a beetle or a washing
machine!
A locost is kinda V shaped in the engine compartment, having the narrowest part at the base of the compartment - right where your big wide cylinders
need to go.
Rear engined would be different, but it looks to me like a no-brainer NO for front mounting!
atb
steve
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spunky
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| posted on 23/4/04 at 09:05 AM |
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Hmmmmmmmm.......four wheel drive mid engine roadster, 275bhp, 550Kg....
I think too much!
Nothing is impossible, it's just a matter of time and money. Neither of which I have much of
John
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timf
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| posted on 23/4/04 at 09:35 AM |
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have a look at http://www.ricola.co.uk/scoobyinstall.htm
for scooby powered chessil speedster
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 23/4/04 at 11:21 AM |
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It always gets me that statement - nothing is impossible.
Its seen on all the cheesiest american movies.
It usually means that someone is trying to acheive the unacheivable, but doesnt want to accept it, or has just miserably failed 
thats a 4 ft wide engine, going into a 2ft wide locost bonnet then
std WRX are 'only' 225hp at the moment - unless its the top model.
my mates seems VERY sensitie to what fuel he uses - i think it has to be top grade shell. He says anything else causes the engine to re-adjust its
timing to use the lower grade fuel and you lose big hopsepower.....
as an american friend of mine said, why bother - just put a bigger cu inch lump in rather than a 2 litre with all that friggin
quote:
Originally posted by spunky
Hmmmmmmmm.......four wheel drive mid engine roadster, 275bhp, 550Kg....
I think too much!
Nothing is impossible, it's just a matter of time and money. Neither of which I have much of
John
[Edited on 23/4/04 by stephen_gusterson]
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spunky
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| posted on 23/4/04 at 12:43 PM |
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My word stephen, you do give up easily....
I suggest your mate refrains from filling up with cheap fuel then.
I agree, there aint no substitute for cubes.....except technology.....600cc motorcyces now produce 150bhp from a standard, reliable, economical
production engine. Thats 36cu!
John
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 23/4/04 at 01:01 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by spunky
My word stephen, you do give up easily....
I suggest your mate refrains from filling up with cheap fuel then.
I agree, there aint no substitute for cubes.....except technology.....600cc motorcyces now produce 150bhp from a standard, reliable, economical
production engine. Thats 36cu!
John
give up - nope - if I did that I wouldnt still be building my deviant monster.
Fuel - he is picky where he buys it, and I think its just a bit silly that a road car needs to be that sensitive.
Motorcycle engines are not big on torque. 5 litre plus engines are!
[Edited on 23/4/04 by stephen_gusterson]
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spunky
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| posted on 23/4/04 at 01:07 PM |
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"Motorcycle engines are not big on torque. 5 litre plus engines are!"
Fair point.
John
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Spyderman
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| posted on 24/4/04 at 07:52 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by stephen_gusterson
Motorcycle engines are not big on torque. 5 litre plus engines are!
But then again how much torque do you need in a car that weighs only 500kgs?
Spyderman
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NS Dev
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| posted on 25/4/04 at 09:29 AM |
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As usual (you'll get sick of me talking about this) but you only have to look to the world of grasstrack racing to see the possibilities!!
You wouldn't want to fit the subaru engine in the front of a locost for the reasons already outlined.
In the middle though is a different question! There are a few folk using the Subaru engine in grasstrack racing. It makes for a nice mid engined
layout when used with a nice transaxle (but these aren't cheap, although you can get away with a VW Transporter transaxle)
There is a SERIOUSLY quick Rover Metro 'shelled grasser fitted with a Subaru engine in the back with the turbo removed and replaced with a belt
driven supercharger....much more like it (I hate turbos!!)
Just to point out though, that despite it's good reputation, the Subaru engine in not as sturdy as some would have you believe. The bottom end
is prone to failure in even moderately boosted up road cars. (I have seen 5 blown subaru engines at my former local breakers, all with main/big end
failures)
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Noodle
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| posted on 25/4/04 at 10:35 AM |
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I'm curious as to why the GrassTrackers aren't using the FWD Impreza gearbox. That's a transaxle arrangment.
Cheers,
Neil.
Your sort make me sick
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Humanoid
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| posted on 25/5/04 at 11:05 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by stephen_gusterson
Its really really wide /../../
A locost is kinda V shaped in the engine compartment, having the narrowest part at the base of the compartment - steve
Well yes of course, its a boxer four. (all cylinders horizontal) makes a very wide motor indeed.
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theconrodkid
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| posted on 25/5/04 at 11:19 AM |
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humanoid,you been eating curry?
who cares who wins
pass the pork pies
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Humanoid
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| posted on 25/5/04 at 11:57 AM |
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I don't know what you mean
Thinking about my gas-mask?
quote:
Originally posted by theconrodkid
humanoid,you been eating curry?
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theconrodkid
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| posted on 25/5/04 at 12:38 PM |
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who cares who wins
pass the pork pies
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ady8077
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| posted on 25/5/04 at 04:33 PM |
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Hi Neil
Do subaru make FWD cars?
Adrian
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Noodle
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| posted on 25/5/04 at 06:53 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by ady8077
Hi Neil
Do subaru make FWD cars?
Adrian
They used to do a FWD Impreza in the UK. Most of the old 1800 GLF-things had a base-model FWD version.
They only stopped importing the FWD versions because their unique-selling-point in the UK was 4WD. Or something.
Cheers,
Neil.
Your sort make me sick
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ady8077
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| posted on 25/5/04 at 07:33 PM |
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Thanks Neil
Nice to know as my next projects going to be a midi
By the way there was talk of using a subaru engine on the Sevens list, the earlier engines a narrower, and will fit in an SV.
Adrian
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strugrat
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| posted on 26/5/04 at 02:48 PM |
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OK chaps I have a nice challenge for someone.
I have in my garage the engine and everything else needed from a Nissan Skyline GTR R32.
2.6l Straight Six Twin Turbo
(Nissan quote 280bhp as standard but standard ones have been on the dyno at 320+)
Now that would be a challenge!!
Its quite heavy so not sure how the car will handle but it would be funny (esp if you can fit the clever 4wd stuff too!!) and the tuning potential is
massive (450bhp easily with ones in japan running 1280bhp) Not quite locost though.
Anyone up for the challenge?
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James
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| posted on 26/5/04 at 03:45 PM |
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How much you want for the engine!
James
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JoelP
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| posted on 26/5/04 at 05:31 PM |
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someone else, possibly a cousin (other side of the pond sort of cousin!) was on about that engine once. Worth the effort IMHO, t'would be
blinding.
for sale?!
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strugrat
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| posted on 27/5/04 at 08:13 AM |
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Yeah it was for sale but I have now recieved a deposit on it from a guy who is going to put it in a S13 Nissan 200sx. He will be picking it up in
June.
I spoke to Luego about it and it will go in a Viento chassis no problem. And I did toy with the idea for a while but I need the cash from this to
fund the kit anyway so its catch 22 for me.
Also probably not the best engine choice for a first time builder!!!!!!
2750 I sold it for with no 4wd stuff inc turbos starter etc etc and an aftermarket ECU.
Sold to the first guy to beat that offer!!!!!
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strugrat
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| posted on 27/5/04 at 08:14 AM |
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Oh and your right it would be completly barmy!!!!!!!
In 1480Kg of skyline it was manic so I cant even imagine what it would be like it three quarters of a ton of kit car!!!
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